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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-07-06 04:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #2742 ]


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[personal profile] cushlamochree 2014-07-06 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Dumbledore is more of a flawed but basically alright human being who has problems with being too cold and unethical, rather than some kind of fucked-up asshole you're supposed to hate. That's always been my impression anyway.

Also, I think it does kind of matter how we see him. The fact that we start out by seeing him, more or less at the end of his life, through the perspective of someone who is much younger and who sees him as this sort of extraordinary heroic, moral father figure - well, of course that image couldn't be maintained, because it never can be, and it makes perfect sense that the image would change as Harry matured. And then on the other hand, we only really see some of the things that would make us most critical of him after he's dead, in memory and in the memories of others. To me, I think that softens the critique of him a lot - the fact that we're only seeing these things in the context of his life already complete. He goes from being an unrealistic father figure to being a real human being who did wrong things and who is dead, but he's still a sympathetic character to me.

Anyway, I'm not really into Adventure Time so I can't make any ridiculous rambly posts comparing him to Bubblegum, sorry.
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[personal profile] intrigueing 2014-07-06 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Dumbledore is more of a flawed but basically alright human being who has problems with being too cold and unethical, rather than some kind of fucked-up asshole you're supposed to hate. That's always been my impression anyway.

Yeah basically this. And I really don't understand why some people think Rowling thought he was totally good perfect person. Sorry, but it's pretty damn obvious Rowling knew he was a flawed person. Almost excessively so.
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[personal profile] dreemyweird 2014-07-06 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I think Dumbledore is more of a flawed but basically alright human being who has problems with being too cold and unethical, rather than some kind of fucked-up asshole you're supposed to hate. That's always been my impression anyway.

I agree that is how the readers are supposed to see him and what he is according to the laws of this fictional universe.

I do not think that the author managed to pull it off :/

Your point about the perspective is very good. Still, in my view, it doesn't remedy the situation.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-07 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Well she clearly pulled it off to some extent because that's how a lot of people do see him.

I mean I get that others see Dumbledore as 'omg nearing Voldemort levels of evil' but that isn't actually the only way to read his character.
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[personal profile] grausam 2014-07-06 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, good point. first we see him as the wistest, almost universally beloved wizard and after his death his biggest mistakes- our perception will be pretty screwed after that.

However I always thought his character fit Rowling's theme of choosing to be good through your deeds best. Being sympathetic or ethical apparently didn't always come naturally to him and he was a disconnected genius who was prone to using people in his schemes even later in life. But he was overall good anyhow.