[ SECRET POST #2747 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2747 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Hobbit/Thorin Oakenshield]


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[The Vincent Black Shadow]


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[El Goonish Shive]


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[Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries]


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[Penny Dreadful]


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[Supernatural]


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[Blake's 7]


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[Edge of Tomorrow/Tom Cruise]


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[Quirk]


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18. [WARNING for rape]



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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #392.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 (tw: rape) - not!secrets ], [ 1 (?) - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - ships it ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not in the fandom, though I've seen the first 5 seasons of the show.

But fuck your perception that bisexuality doesn't exist, or that being super sexually attracted to women means someone could never potentially be interested in the same sex. I'm gay and my girlfriend is (mostly) straight. Seriously. She really likes dudes, and thought she was pretty much straight except for the very, very occasional "that girl is kinda hot" until she met me. People like that exist.

I get that you clearly resent the pairing, but Dean could be bi, could potentially be in a same sex relationship - that possibility exists for a lot more people, if not most people, than you think. Okay, no one should be saying he's canon gay, but I seriously wonder how many fans in this fandom are actually saying that. If they are writing fanfiction where he's gay? So what? It's their fic, they get to play with the canon however they like.

Plus, I find our resident "DEAN IS SUPER HETEROSEXUAL FUCK ANYONE WHO THINKS HE IS GAY" anon(s?) who come here every other day (along with the anti-Sterek one(s?)) super annoying and redundant by this point. Seriously, we get it, you don't like the pairing.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not about liking or disliking the pairing. I ship Dean and Castiel (in fact they are the reason why I watch the show), that doesn't mean that I'm deluded enough to believe that Dean is gay or bisexual.

[(Anonymous)]

Did you miss my second paragraph, though? Dean COULD be bisexual. I'm not saying he is, nor that there is evidence that there is, but there doesn't have to be "evidence" for it to be true. Point is, Dean is not necessarily 100% heterosexual. Showing interest in one gender doesn't mean interest in the other gender can't happen. This stuff happens in real life all the time.

No, I don't think people could rationally claim Dean is secretly gay. Though I think interpreting him as slightly bisexual is not any more irrational than interpreting him as 100% straight.

[(Anonymous)]

Dean is straight. Confirmed by the writers and the actor. You can try again.

[(Anonymous)]

Death of the Author

Only what's in the text matters.

[(Anonymous)]

Death of the Author does not involve completely dismissing the author's perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

da

I think you mean author's interpretation. And yes, it does.

Wrong

[(Anonymous)]

No, in fact it doesn't. Granted, it's a common misconception, and much beloved of fandom for obvious reasons. But nowhere will you find a genuine (not fourth hand, "I'm sure that's true, I heard it somewhere") academic strain that says the author's intention means *nothing*. It is one of a number of possible things one can get from the text, is all, and has been knocked off its pedestal as the only way to look at and interpret a text.

[(Anonymous)]

No, it doesn't. It means that the author's interpretation has to be considered within its sociocultural context, and that through the act of reading, we share in the creation of a story.

It does not mean that the author doesn't matter; it means that the author is one piece of a whole, and that we mustn't only look at the author's intent when analyzing a text.

[arcadiaego]

No it doesn't, although I usually do anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

And what is in the text is also that Dean is explicitly, unequivocally not attracted to men.

[(Anonymous)]

na

Yeah, this. There's nothing wrong with relating with a character and creating a fanon where he's more like you. In fanon anyone can be anything. There's nothing wrong with interpreting things as whatever you want. There's nothing wrong with any ship or sexuality. All are valid.

But there's a line. You have to realize it's your own fanon/headcanons and not actual reality.

(Wishing/hoping is one thing. Actually thinking/claiming it's true is another.)

[(Anonymous)]

Of course it's silly to think in the actual canon, Dean is gay or something.

But the entire point of my post was that liking women a lot doesn't mean it's impossible that he's bisexual, which OP doesn't seem to understand. Interpreting a character in a way that doesn't counter how he or she is in canon is not crossing any line.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry, I've just seen too many non-rational people about this issue. As long as you're (general you, not you ayrt) not breaking the fourth wall or harassing anyone, there should be no problem with how anyone reads canon.

[(Anonymous)]

and by "you" i meant "general you" not OP, or the subthread OP or anyone in specific.

[(Anonymous)]

It kind of sounds like you're saying that everyone is bi until proven otherwise -- but that there's no way to sufficiently prove that you're not bi. You could go your entire life only being attracted to a single gender, but that doesn't mean that you might not also be attracted to the other gender as well, given the right circumstances.

I might be reading what you're saying completely wrong, but that's how it comes across to me. And it makes me really, really uncomfortable, because it puts an impossible standard on "gayness" and "straightness."

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't have a horse in this race, but personally, assuming everyone is bi is better than assuming everyone is straight. If we're going to make sexuality assumptions, and all.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but if someone says that they're straight, or that they're gay, then it's pretty dickish to be like "but that doesn't mean you're not bi."

[(Anonymous)]

Well, maybe that's reality? People who identify as one way or the other have "exceptions" sometimes. That's human sexuality. Many people who identify as straight never have same-sex attraction. But many do. Same with gay people. Human sexuality isn't going to follow a standard for "gayness" or "straightness" just because we want to put a neat little label on it.

But that's getting a bit out of the topic here. Fans can "fill in the blanks" however they want, or interpret certain dialogues certain ways, etc. It doesn't make it "wrong". Dean is shown being attracted to women, but he isn't shown saying "I am straight, I am not gay, I have never felt any attraction toward men" etc. Might as well be arguing about whether or not it's canon Dean has ear hair or something (not a fan of the show so I'm going to assume we don't know that) - it's not "canon" either way because it just isn't shown, and just because we don't see it doesn't mean it's impossible that he has it.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people do have exceptions, but I don't think having them completely changes your sexuality -- they wouldn't be called exceptions, otherwise.

You mention that sexuality isn't going to follow a standard. That's kind of what my issue is with with the airt was saying: it seems like it sets up a standard that no one can meet, unless they're willing to call themselves "bisexual."

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Dean could be bi. There is nothing wrong with interpreting the show as that. The problem comes when people get so invested with the idea of Dean being bi that they convince themselves it will ever happen on the show.

It is also a problem when people who interpret him as bi use it as a way of telling other people they are prejudiced for having a pragmatic and/or cynical view of the TV show.

Those of us fans who want to guard themselves with a shield of pragmatism and/or cynicism constantly remind ourselves of the unappealing facts so we aren't let down.

Dean could be gay, but we aren't going to see it in canon, so separating canon from fanon helps keep people a small bit more sane.

(When I was active in SPN, I shipped Destiel. I like the idea of Dean being bi, but I honestly don't think it will ever happen on the show. Not after so many in-show denials, not after show-runner and actor denials.)