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F!S Anon Meme (the Tenth?)

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List of General Threads (for easy access!)
a. Vid Rec thread
b. Positivity thread
c. What do you think of other F!S members?
d. Best Comments thread
e. Canceled Shows thread
f. Confessions thread
g. TMI thread
h. Which fictional character would you be...
i. "Is this offensive?"
j. In the good ol' days of fandom...
k. Popular fanfic you don't like
l. Really weird things you read in fanfics

Comments

Re: Wank that never made it to F!S

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vehemently opposed to people liking Londo and shipping him with G'Kar because Londo perpetuated genocide against the Narn (and because the Centauri are just generally a terrible people)

Ah. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, I adore Londo as a character, he's my favourite by a mile, but he's definitely the sort of character you like from behind the safety of the screen. As a person he's ... Um. Well. He learned? Eventually? And sometimes, tragically, mid-action, when it was too late to take it back. But that's about the best you can say for him, morally speaking, it is true.

But, the people with theses issues also manage to horribly mischaracterize G'Kar by maintaining the belief that G'Kar is only pretending to care about Londo to save his own people.

I think it would have hurt G'Kar a lot less and made their relationship a lot less painful had that been true. There's a couple of moments, G'Kar and Vir in the lift with the blood, and G'Kar after Cartagia is overthrown when the other Narn ask him what he sacrificed for it, where you realise how much Londo has cost G'Kar, and not only in the blood of his people but with the fact that even Londo's mercy/friendship, offered in earnest, is marked by the loss of G'Kar's honour, and G'Kar knows it. But Londo is also the person who was there, at every step of the way. Londo was the one who ordered the destruction, Londo was the one who repented it, Londo was his ally and his betrayer and his victim and his torturer, Londo was the one who broke him before Cartagia, not with pain but with a promise of hope and a request, Londo was the one who helped him save Na'toth, Londo was a part of his struggles on Babylon 5 itself, Londo was his destined death and his constant companion and a incredibly flawed man that G'Kar came to know almost better than himself by the end. I don't think G'Kar ever wanted to care for Londo, but past a certain point there was simply so much history and so many moments of stark understanding and so much common ground between them and no-one else that he couldn't quite help it. A beloved enemy, one who damned him and was damned in turn, but at least they walked the road to hell together, and not without a certain caring by the end.

They always reminded me of a Gerald Kersh quote, actually: "There are those people that you hate, until that moment when you see, through a chink in their armour, the writhing of something nailed down and in torment." (From "Busto is a Ghost, Too Mean to Give Us A Fright". I think, anyway. It's been a while). And, ah, I had all sorts of feelings about their relationship as well, as you can probably tell -_-;

Re: Wank that never made it to F!S

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he's definitely the sort of character you like from behind the safety of the screen

Exactly. People don't understand that you can like a charcater and not condone their actions. And, liking a character doesn't mean you trivialize real world issues like genocide, for example. (That was part of the wank; that liking Londo meant you were a bad person because you condoned real world genocide. Like we can't tell fiction from real life...)

I don't think G'Kar ever wanted to care for Londo, but past a certain point there was simply so much history and so many moments of stark understanding and so much common ground between them and no-one else that he couldn't quite help it.

I love that their relationship is the most emotionally intimate of any of the characters in the show, in all the ways you described. (At least, of what's shown on screen. I'm sure John and Delenn are as intimate by virtue of being married for 20 years.) Londo and G'Kar are bound together, as you've said, by their shared experiences, shared destines and commonalities gained through strife.

And, that quote is perfect, wow.