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This is an odd one, but I've just spent a couple of hours scrolling through mcspirk and k/s/m tags on tumblr (and remembering how much I madly, madly adored the original trio), and there's this thing where people assign an aspect of the heart/soul/mind, ethos/logos/pathos, id/ego/superego trines to each of Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and it's getting to me? In most cases, Spock tends to be clearly weighted towards the logos/superego/mind, and then people swap the others between Kirk and McCoy.

Thing is, at least in the heart/soul/mind trio, I always saw Spock as the soul and Kirk as the mind? McCoy is the heart, for sure and definite, but Kirk always seemed to me to be the decision maker, the decider, the one who weighed up the arguments from either side and made choices based on them, and that seemed like the mind to me, marrying the impulses from the other two, while Spock seemed to be the one struggling with the rationale, the reason, the meaning to things, the one who literally lived and died by loyalty and belief in rightness, which put him over towards soul for me. Some of it could be bleed-over from the fact that I've associated him with literal souls since Search for Spock, but I still think it's a bit pat to just blindly lump him into 'mind', 'logic', 'superego' every time just because he happens to be Vulcan and vocal about it.

Actually, I think they all tend to wander across all three attributes depending on the episode and where you're catching them. Tholian Web had an absent Kirk acting as superego to McCoy's Ego and Spock's Id, Spock tends to jump straight to Id when issues of loyalty come up, McCoy has a fair helping of ethos in with his pathos, and Kirk is often a lot more rational than people appear to give him credit for.

I know there's Word of God for the original conception of the characters, but in practice they didn't really map as cleanly as sometimes people seem to make out.

I don't think it was ever clear cut. Kirk was the decider, but he was also the moral compass. Spock was the logical one but he was often the critical one. McCoy was the only one who ever fit cleanly, and even so Kirk just as often displayed Id traits.

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