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Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

What are some details that pop up very often in fanfics that you have no idea where they came from?

Example: In one of my fandoms a character was shot and suffered from PTSD because of it. Almost every fanfic that takes place during that time period has her not sleeping in her bedroom because of reasons (these differ from fic to fic). But in canon we clearly see her waking up in her bed from nightmares on separate occasions. So where does this "can't be in my bedroom" thing come from?

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[queerwolf]

Pack Mom Stiles. Mostly because there is no cohesive pack like is shown in fics.

-Stiles has 4 people he would do anything for (his dad, Scott, Melissa and Lydia) and a few others he doesn't want to see hurt and tries to help. It's like the authors who write him being pack mom have never seen an episode at all. For example, Stiles can't stand Isaac. He won't let him die if he can do anything about it, but he's also not gonna coddle him and treat him like a puppy.

-Stiles probably can cook since he takes care of his dad and learned along the way so they didn't starve, but I doubt this would ever extend to cooking elaborate or regular meals for the pack.

-Stiles would also never be the one to go to for comfort, unless you are Scott or Lydia. He still wouldn't do a great job and that's okay, but he's not the pack advice giver/problem solver.

I love Stiles but I just don't get exactly where this version of him came from.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[elaminator]

100% this. It baffles me because it isn't Stiles at all. (Not saying I don't understand why some people would be drawn to seeing their favorite character do those things, but...it doesn't fit his character. It's jarring.)

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[cloud_riven]

Pack Mom Stiles is basically I Want to Pretend Scott and Stiles are The Same Person But Pretend Scott Was Never There syndrome.

Really, one of his things is that he's hella loyal, but doesn't extend that outside of his circle unless it means he'd be disloyal (eg: find Derek for Scott's behalf). Dude's a cold motherfucker sometimes.

(Also, I'm trying to remember which of the dude's he even gets along with who are not his dad. It's like antagonizing is his default mode...)

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

It's like the authors who write him being pack mom have never seen an episode at all.

That's probably a fair assessment, but more likely it has to do with some weird need to write stereotypical top/bottom dynamics. I've never really seen Pack Mom Stiles without the other.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[nightscale]

Yeah I never got pack mum Stiles thing, it just doesn't mesh with canon at all.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[tabaqui]

*shrug*
It's not canon, no, but if there actually was a cohesive pack, he'd probably be the one running around organizing Call of Duty nights or whatever.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[philstar22]

That Remus was the smart Marauder or at least the smartest. Remus was the most studious, but that doesn't necessarily mean smartest. I think it was pretty clear in canon that they were all smart and that James and Sirius were both pretty gifted.

That Hermione isn't actually smart. I've seen people say that she is just well read and logical and not actually intelligent. Which I very much disagree with.

That Harry and Ron are both idiots. No. They are just lazy. I think it is pretty clear that they both get fairly decent grades. I think Harry is a bit smarter than Ron, and they are both clearly less intelligent than Hermione. But I think it is also clear that if they actually applied themselves they'd do really well.

That Snape is a good teacher. Putting instructions on the board and telling students to make the potion without any actual instruction or warning about what bad things could happen is not good teaching. Neither is bullying your students so much that they are completely scared away from the subject.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

I had a prof at uni who was a little bit like Snape. He wasn't (that much of) a bully, but he was a very big fan of the "just figure it out yourselves, you idiots" school of teaching, and I can attest to that being a horrible teaching style.

Re: intelligence: I think the idea is that Harry is the street smart to Hermione's book smart. And Ron definitely isn't an idiot either. He's a fantastic chess player after all.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[sarillia]

Agreed on all of this.

I can see where people are coming from on the Hermione one since I do think that she has a tendency to rely too much on going by the book rather than coming up with her own way of doing things. That feels like a big part of HBP, but I also think that it ties into her character arc about learning to question authority over the course of the series (with books taking the place of teachers later on as the higher authority that she could always depend on to know best) and it's not that she's not capable of stretching her mind and being innovative since I think she's shown doing that sometimes.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

Fanon!Remus is the reason I read very little Marauders fic in spite of him being my favorite. He's either a male Hermione or a shrinking violet. I feel like people forget that he was a Marauder too.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[cushlamochree]

There's no real, you know, evidence that Remus was the smartest, I acknowledge that, but I think it's at least a reasonable piece of fanon. But yeah, James and Sirius are both obviously very smart as well, they're just much less motivated. Especially Sirius.

Agree on everything else. It really bothers me with people calling Ron an idiot especially because it falls right into the general character bashing that he's subject to.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

That's kind of funny, because I consider being well read and logical to be important characteristics of intelligence. What on earth did those other people mean?

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[philstar22]

Oh yes. Blushing and shy!Steve is bad. I also hate idiot!Thor, woobie!Loki, and damsel-in-distress!Natasha.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[lunabee34]

I thought this was about Steve being a kitty kat with black whiskers before i read the next comment. LOL

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[nightscale]

But, but we all know that Steve is an innocent delicate flower who has never known the- no I couldn't keep going, it's too hard to even type that with a straight face.

It's one of those thing that probably wouldn't bother me if it had been done like on occasion or something, but fandom latched onto it in a way that was truly impressive. I blame Evans and his face(I kid it's not his fault).

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[kallanda_lee]

The "can't be in my bedroom" is just a pretty common trope for PTSD and trauma in general.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[elaminator]

Not so much fanon, but...it does bother me when In The Flesh fic includes 'regular old smut' because...the characters are dead. How can they get erections? (There are some things to take into consideration after season two, but the stuff set before that...it's weird, and I can only wonder, "But how is this working?!")

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

...that's gross. This is why I can't actually get into In the Flesh: I find all the actors kind of unattractive, and also some of them are dead. I don't get why it's becoming such a popular fandom for shipping.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

This is an odd one, but I've just spent a couple of hours scrolling through mcspirk and k/s/m tags on tumblr (and remembering how much I madly, madly adored the original trio), and there's this thing where people assign an aspect of the heart/soul/mind, ethos/logos/pathos, id/ego/superego trines to each of Kirk, Spock and McCoy, and it's getting to me? In most cases, Spock tends to be clearly weighted towards the logos/superego/mind, and then people swap the others between Kirk and McCoy.

Thing is, at least in the heart/soul/mind trio, I always saw Spock as the soul and Kirk as the mind? McCoy is the heart, for sure and definite, but Kirk always seemed to me to be the decision maker, the decider, the one who weighed up the arguments from either side and made choices based on them, and that seemed like the mind to me, marrying the impulses from the other two, while Spock seemed to be the one struggling with the rationale, the reason, the meaning to things, the one who literally lived and died by loyalty and belief in rightness, which put him over towards soul for me. Some of it could be bleed-over from the fact that I've associated him with literal souls since Search for Spock, but I still think it's a bit pat to just blindly lump him into 'mind', 'logic', 'superego' every time just because he happens to be Vulcan and vocal about it.

Actually, I think they all tend to wander across all three attributes depending on the episode and where you're catching them. Tholian Web had an absent Kirk acting as superego to McCoy's Ego and Spock's Id, Spock tends to jump straight to Id when issues of loyalty come up, McCoy has a fair helping of ethos in with his pathos, and Kirk is often a lot more rational than people appear to give him credit for.

I know there's Word of God for the original conception of the characters, but in practice they didn't really map as cleanly as sometimes people seem to make out.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[nightscale]

I've probably said it far too much by this point, but I'll say it again. Dumb!Thor who can't work out how to use a toaster and speaks in nothing but caps lock(this also applies to Steve as well for getting the idiot-ball in fic).

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

On that note: Edgeworth's PTSD being triggered by elevators as well as earthquakes, to the point where he walks up and down 11 flights of stairs at work every day.

I'm reasonably sure no one thinks he walked all the way up to the 50th floor of the Grand Tower, though.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[(Anonymous)]

Will Graham is a blushing, stereotypical 'uke'.

Like, I can kinda get the appeal of seeing him woobie-fied (since he is pretty much a woobie in S1), but he is hardly a delicate flower.

In the books, he's a bit of a grumpy alcoholic.

Re: Popular fanons you just don't get

[segnung]

Since other unlikable fanon traits on Natasha Romanoff were already stated in this thread, here's another I can't stand:

The Natasha that not only fucks all of the Avengers (including Coulson, oh gawd no), but also fucks all of her targets since the beginning of her training as Black Widow. Along with this is the ever-so-popular sexual abuse background for her, where she was constantly and consistently abused in horrific ways, and these experiences are what led her to being a ~strong independent woman~ because I guess that's the only way for a woman to be a formidable character.

Then there's the helpless Bucky who needs nothing more than to be fucked in order to properly heal. I've noticed that he's being written as childlike due to his traumas, but also sex-crazed.

I also hate how he's written to be a bit of a dullard, when in canon he excelled in school and can speak multiple languages. I'd like to see more balance with his character - he can be snarky and flirty, but also quite brilliant.