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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-07-16 06:55 pm

[ SECRET POST #2752 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2752 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Fargo]


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03.
[Orange is the New Black]


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04.
[Helena Bonham Carter and Tim Burton]


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05.
[DS9, Far Beyond the Stars]


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06.
[Starsky & Hutch]


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07.
[Trent Reznor, Nine Inch Nails]


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08.
[Captain America: The Winter Soldier]


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09.
[Galerians]


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10.
[Penny Dreadful]


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11.
[The Wolf Among us/Enslaved]


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12.
[Wes Craven's Scream franchise]


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13.
[One Piece]












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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

[personal profile] fscom 2014-07-16 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
08. http://i.imgur.com/HJUdfyk.png
[Captain America: The Winter Soldier]

(Anonymous) 2014-07-16 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Bucky isn't just his arm and angst. And you could easily be basing your AU!Bucky on pre-WS Bucky.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-16 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
+1

Came here to say this. Since OP is talking specifically about AUs, it seems a little silly to complain about a character not having his canon-specific backstory. What do they want? A coffee shop AU where Bucky used to be the Winter Soldier anyway?
elaminator: (Captain America: TWS - WS (bow))

[personal profile] elaminator 2014-07-16 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
A coffee shop AU where Bucky used to be the Winter Soldier anyway?

...Well, now I'm wondering if this exists somewhere. This is fandom, I wouldn't even be terribly surprised. (Maybe he needed cash after WS, alright? Don't judge him.)
kallanda_lee: (Default)

[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-07-17 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I definitely recall coffee shop AU's passing by on tumblr. They might just be drabbles, though.
elaminator: (Captain America: Bucky)

[personal profile] elaminator 2014-07-17 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not even particularly into coffee shop AU's, but they can be fun once in a while. I would read one where he was previously the Winter Soldier, though! That would be different.

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TA DAAAAAA

[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2014-07-17 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. http://archiveofourown.org/works/512298

Not Winter Soldier but he is a veteran in a coffee shop.
elaminator: (Captain America: Bucky - Sniper)

Re: TA DAAAAAA

[personal profile] elaminator 2014-07-17 01:19 am (UTC)(link)
Ooo, haha, I'm going to give it a shot. Thanks! <3

(Anonymous) 2014-07-17 12:48 am (UTC)(link)
This. There's basically two extremely different kinds of Bucky and neither is more valid or invalid than the other.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-07-16 11:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I prefer Bucky with metal arm and trauma as well...because of...reasons. Reasons that might not be entirely honorable....

(Anonymous) 2014-07-16 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
It's cool, you're among friends. We're all weird perverts here.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2014-07-16 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I have no preference. As long as he is breathing, I can work with it. Well, there was that vampire AU. So I guess breathing isn't even a requirement.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-07-16 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I definitely do prefer him sentient and responsive, but brain activity is a general preference I have for men.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2014-07-17 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
Would I like zombie!Bucky....no, no I would not. So yes, I would prefer him with brain activity.
elaminator: (Captain America: TWS - Metal Arm)

[personal profile] elaminator 2014-07-16 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for that laugh. (I was going to say, "I prefer him with the metal arm as well", then I remembered this series where he's a prince and went, "Whoops, never-mind, I'll read anything.")

The metal arm is attractive though, to a slightly worrisome degree.
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[personal profile] kaijinscendre 2014-07-17 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
What is this prince series you speak of?????? D: I know one of him as the president's son. But no princes.

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[personal profile] ibbity 2014-07-16 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
AU is supposed to be about timelines where some of the stuff from the canon didn't happen, though. I don't see why it couldn't make perfect sense in some AU that Bucky didn't have that level of trauma or didn't lose his arm. You're totally entitled to prefer AU where he DID, your taste in fic is your own, but it's not necessarily OOC if he didn't.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-07-17 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Devil's advocate: I...can sort of see what OP means, I think. I think the whole Winter Soldier thing is a huge thing in Bucky's character arc. I mean, undo that you either have a younger version of Bucky or a guy who had a very different life, and therefore is very different. So I can understand how it would feel OOC.
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(Anonymous) 2014-07-17 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
undo that you either have a younger version of Bucky or a guy who had a very different life

You mean the Bucky we see at the start of First Avenger? When you undo WS, you just get Bucky's original personality.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-07-17 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, but that Bucky was already changed in First Avenger, too. Firstly by living the reality of war, and secondly by being captured and experimented on. Even if he had not fallen from that train, he'd still not be the same Bucky.

I'm pretty sure I've seen AU's where he still goes to war in some capacity (Iraq, Afghanistan, whatever) and he's still pretty much unchanged. I realize that that is a very specific sort of AU, but I remember it sort of rubbing me the wrong way, too, as I just don't buy that that wouldn't change you.

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[identity profile] galerian-ash.livejournal.com 2014-07-16 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not all that big on AUs in this fandom, so I don't really have a huge preference either way. However! I think if you're gonna let Bucky have his arm, then you should have Steve be skinny. It bugs me a little when they're both "perfect".
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[personal profile] nightscale 2014-07-17 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
I don't read many AU's so I have no particular horse in this race, but I could see myself being fine with him having his left arm or not tbh. If anything I think I'd be more invested in skinny!Steve since there is no way he would be as bulky as he is without having had the serum.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-17 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
But pre-WS Bucky also exists, OP. And if we're talking about OOC here, wouldn't WS be technically called OOC for him, considering just how far removed his characteristic from First Avenger? (Just asking rhetorically here)

Then again, I'd pick any Bucky. I like my (fictional) men cute and charismatic, ...and filled with angst and severe mental trauma <3
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[personal profile] nyxelestia 2014-07-17 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
So, on the one hand, I can agree with many other people on the thread that AU's are fics with very different backgrounds for the characters and thus the Winter Soldier background or something similar won't always work.

On the other hand, a good AU is one that is an Alternate Universe, not just a Different one - which means that even while the characters' backgrounds change, they should still hold some parallel or connection to the canonical backgrounds. In Bucky's case (if it's not being based off of pre-WS Bucky), that means some kind of exploitative, traumatic past, and some kind of issue with his left arm.

And going on the pre-WS/post-WS thing: the character's relationship with other characters changes drastically before and after those time periods. If you just want him taking care of Steve somehow, then a Bucky based on his pre-WS characters works fine; but if you want a Bucky who is super competent at his job or has some kind of complicated background with Natasha or is even just part of the team at large, then that really relies more on his post-WS characterization, that means, well, very exploitative and traumatic background.

(Anonymous) 2014-07-17 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, me, too! Including the "irrational" bit; I know it doesn't matter whether AU!Bucky is, e.g., a charming and able-bodied pastry chef or a traumatized and disabled pastry chef. He's an AU version either way! But, even so, I have a very strong preference for the latter characterization.

I've never actually bailed on an excellent AU in which Bucky has an atraumatic past, but there have been a few fair-to-middling AUs that I've backbuttoned on, that I probably would've stuck out if the Bucky in them had had PTSD and/or a prosthetic arm.