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Yeah, that's why I mentioned it.

Getting more in topic the wank above makes me think it's not males that are stopping females from getting their fanservice shows, it's other females.

DA

I honestly doubt that. Most of the time, anime aimed at women don't sell very well. There are some exceptions, like Free and Uta no Prince-sama.

I don't mean to pour salt in the wound to some here, but Nakamura's anime sold more than 10k units, had already sold 3 million copies before the anime adaptation, and she's regularly in the top-selling manga with the big shonen hits. That's an unique feat for BL.

Ayrt

Like I said, there are a few exceptions. I'm not familiar with how well Junjou sold, so I didn't include it.

I think it's just ridiculous to say that women are the main reason there's not more anime titles aimed at women being produced. It's a combination of issues and it can't just be pinned on one thing.

It sold very, very well. Average was 9,574.

I think that some women complaining very loudly that "X is offensive to women/women are not attracted to X!" may be part of the reason, though reality always contradicts them. Though maybe that's more of a western thing.

I highly doubt that's any part of the reason why more anime titles aimed at women aren't made tbh.

I think so too, mostly because as I said it is a western thing, but who knows really.

Westerners complaining about anime has like zero effect on the market.

The japanese complaining might. I didn't say it had to be westerners doing the complaining, I said that women complaining for other women - though said women are completely fine with what's being complained about - is a western thing.

Japanese women don't complain like we do, at least not yet.

Please do not try to pretend you're speaking for all women, I'm a western woman too and I have nothing to complain about.

Maybe you've missed the fact that instead of 'complaining' Japanese women simply act: drawing shojo manga and anime in record numbers and invading all parts of the industry until it looks as if they have taken over.

We in the West could learn from them: the real solution to a problem is not to complain to TPTB, but to take action directly.

It's only my opinion, but I think it's a lot more helpful and less whiny than 'let's complain until we get heard'. Or not, as the slow degradation of women's rights in the US shows... Complaining is for whiners: go out and act instead, because if you are not part of the solution, you're part of the problem as the old saying goes. Stop electing sexist politicians and raising your daughters as if they are bound to be too stupid to 'get' math or science or as if they have to care more about their looks than boys do.

BTW, the irritated tone of my reply is for the condescending assumption that Japanese women don't deal with gender discrimination better than American women, and that they are therefore letting the side down. Which does not seem clear to me at all.

PS: admittedly, it's easy for me to criticize, I am European. But over the past 25 years I have lived in the States, I have still not gotten used to the way American women so often seem to be their own worst enemy. Not that gender discrimination doesn't exist in Europe, of course it does, but things are not as alarming there as they are over here.

So less of the criticizing if you please, and more of the taking action!

The Japanese do not give a flying fuck what anybody in the west is saying when they make their shows. If we happen to like it, they'll take our money, if we don't, piss off, gaikokujin.

And that's how it should be.

Most anime doesn't sell well and fujoshi oriented anime has an advantage since the choices are more limited.

Ayrt

That's true enough. I think there's not more anime aimed at women being produced because companies are afraid to take risk. Anime doesn't sell all that well to begin with and stuff aimed at women even more so for the most part, so why take the risk? Pandering to otaku is just easier because they spend tons of money. It's a safer bet with them

So why is Love Stage, the only true fujoshi show in the season, bombing so hard? I know it's early and it may pick up, but it didn't stop other shows like Bakumatsu Rock from doing quite well.

da

How is it bombing? Projections based on preorders or what? Got a link?

**8,845位/**8,079位 ★ (***,*94 pt) [*,**0予約] 2014/09/26 LOVE STAGE!! 限定版第1巻 [Blu-ray]

**4,621位/**4,218位 ○ (***,170 pt) [*,**0予約] 2014/09/26 LOVE STAGE!! 限定版第1巻 [DVD]

These are updated rankster (google it) rankings calculated from amazon pre-orders, which are usually quite accurate to actual retail sales. The closer to 1 the ranking (first number) the better the chances to actually sell. 1 pt = 1 pre-order. As I said, the prediction may always turn out inaccurate and it may sell really well in retail, but so far for a fujoshi show fujoshi really don't like it.

Do you got a link? Tried googling and got squat. Thank you for explaining it. Those larger numbers, that's where it's ranked against other preorders, right?

http://rankstker.net/

Yeah, that's the ranking among other shows.

Thank you! One more question, how do I find the preorder rankings for other shows airing this season?

http://rankstker.net/index_news.cgi

That's the list.

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Ah, if you're thinking of buying something to bump up a show, overseas sales are not counted. Don't ask why, I forgot the reason but they have zero impact.

I forgot: first large number is current position / second large number is previous position.