[ SECRET POST #2759 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2759 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yes but allegories are, at their cure, imperfect. If black people blew up buildings with their minds, you'd have a point.

The discrimination is an allegory for racism. The superpowers just make things cool while they do it.

[(Anonymous)]

Arabs blow up buildings with planes.

I have heard this logic as to why they should be tracked and registered in my lifetime.

I think you see why people are uncomfortable with that.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes but so do white people. Again, Arabs aren't born with a magical ability to control plains.

I do see why people are uncomfortable with that. I am uncomfortable with that. But mutants are a) fictitious and b) able to do things that cannot occur in the real world. You cannot say 'but in the real world that is bad because racism' when you don't know anyone in the real world with laserbeam eyes.

[(Anonymous)]

When it's an allegory for minorities who are born with things they can't help? Yes, yes I can. Because it tells me that if someone made a good enough "argument" you would go for it in real life because the entire series is based on the idea that no one should have to hide who they are, nor should the be discriminated against for something out of their control.

[(Anonymous)]

Hell no I wouldn't go for it in real life! but minorities DO NOT HAVE GUNS FOR HANDS THAT THEY CANNOT CONTROL.

[(Anonymous)]

Skin color doesn't inherently harm someone though. That's society and stereotypes. A person who can set things on fire at will? That is actually dangerous.

[insanenoodlyguy]

The fact of the matter is if all Arabs were born with the power to blow up buildings with nothing but their own bodies, the world would fear then and we would be right to.

I know it's an allegory. But in all honestly it's not a very good allegory if you think about it this in depth!

[cbrachyrhynchos]

That's the problem with Superheroes as Allegory. Superheroes themselves fall to bits if you think about them for more than a minute, so the attempts to build allegories for them do as well.

Unless you're Alan Moore, where that's kinda the point.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I feel this way about the vampires on True Blood as well. The show (sometimes, it's inconsistent in this as all things) likes to push anti-vamp discrimination as parallel to real world sexism and racism, but when the show then goes and has literally every single vampire character kill at least one person over the course of the series, you start to think maybe regular humans have a very valid reason to fear them.

[(Anonymous)]

In the real world, we have metal detectors, strip searches, concealed carry permits, and all sorts of other things to make sure that people aren't carrying weapons without permission or in settings where they shouldn't have weapons. If people existed who would be carrying weapons even after all these other measure were filled, they should be registered. It's not a difficult concept, come on.

[(Anonymous)]

This exactly.

To be fair, if we're taking the real world route, mutant and non-mutant ought to be registered after an offense is committed, not before.

[mekkio]

No. A few individuals blew up buildings with planes. All you can fit in someone's living room. The rest of the Arabs just want to live their lives. They don't have bombs. They don't have guns. They just have 9 to 5 jobs and families to raise. It's not the same.

You have millions of mutants with powers, most of which can be turn into a weapon of some sort. They have no training and are running about doing god knows what. I want to know who they are and what they can do.

It would be more like how in the US you have to register and have a license in order have a gun. It is illegal to just take one and run around with it. People want to know whose weapon that is and what they are doing with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol, I'm sure the all the Islamic terrorists would take up more space than a room

[diet_poison]

Maybe that depends on if you're counting all the planners/supporters or the ones who have actually physically executed attacks?

I do not know the numbers though.

[(Anonymous)]

As someone who has read the x-men comics, the issue is murky largly because Marvel has abandoned a lot of the gay and minority allegory in the x-men, and many storylines distance themselves from the allegory entirely.

In mutant's case many are born with entirely random or even detrimental powers, and when they activate for the first time can go out of control. Any racial allegory falls apart when you've got characters that can spontaneously emit lethal radiation on accident and nuke their entire school before they even realize what's wrong. Injury can also set off powers uncontrolled as well, as in Scott Summers case, you can have someone take a nasty fall and after recovering suddenly have no control over their power.

That's to say nothing of powers that are difficult to detect but potentially nation destroying like shapeshifting and mind control.

[a_potato]

Being Arab does not predispose a person to blow up planes -- or anything, for that matter.

Being a mutant can predispose you to blowing up things. Often without you even being in conscious control of what you're doing. That's why the allegory falls apart, and why a lot of minority and LGBTQ people don't like it.

It's a tricky issue, because humans do have a tendency to mistreat the people they fear. But I don't think a registration/monitoring program would be entirely out of line if X-Men-type mutants were real. We'd just have to be very, very careful about how we administered it.

[(Anonymous)]

Instead of focusing on race, what about a person who is a "patient zero", carrying a lethal virus, but not sick themselves? There isn't necessarily any intent in the possible transmission (though there could be). Is it discriminatory to quarantine them for the safety of the rest of the population?

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much what happened with the real Typhoid Mary. She was a typhoid carrier, and worse, she was a cook. The health department ended up locking her up permanently after she wouldn't stop working as a cook.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I once heard the story about her. She refused to believe she was carrying the disease, because she was never sick with it. That and she was stubborn as hell.

[othellia]

http://www.harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=335

[akacat]

And apparently, "stubborn as hell" included a belief that washing one's hands between using the outhouse and handling food was a waste of time.

Ew.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Yeah, there were quite a few people around the time the concept of washing started to take hold that were like that. At least one army nurse in one of the big late-1800s wars was feared by soldiers because more soldiers died in her care than lived, because she refused to believe in rigorous washing. I can't recall which one though, I originally heard it said about Florence Nightingale, but it turned out to be a different nurse.

[(Anonymous)]

...it's an allegory for homosexuality, not racism.

[(Anonymous)]

it's both

[(Anonymous)]

It's an allegory for minorities in general. No single minority "owns" the X-Men.