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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-07-23 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2759 ]


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mekkio: (Default)

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

[personal profile] mekkio 2014-07-23 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The whole "Israelis are the new Nazis" movement that I've seen popping up in Pro-Palestine rallies and facebook/twitter/tumblr accounts is probably one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen and I've been on the internet for a while. If someone is talking to me and they pull that card not only do I want to stop talking to them then and there, I never want to talk to them again.

There are other ways of making your point about what is happening in Gaza without going there.
ibbity: (Default)

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

[personal profile] ibbity 2014-07-23 11:38 pm (UTC)(link)
That's because a lot of people like to use criticism of Israel's political activities as an excuse to hate on Jews in general.
cushlamochree: o malley color (Default)

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

[personal profile] cushlamochree 2014-07-23 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Or because they're idiots with no sense of proportion. Antisemitism is not the only possible explanatory factor here.
ibbity: (Default)

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

[personal profile] ibbity 2014-07-25 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I would be more inclined to agree if I had seen less people talking about how "the Jews" are such jerks because of [insert thing Israel did here] or complaining how "they need to stop playing the Holocaust card already" or talking about secret Jewish conspiracies to brainwash people into thinking Jews can do no wrong, in conversations that are ostensibly about current events in the Middle East.
cushlamochree: o malley color (Default)

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

[personal profile] cushlamochree 2014-07-25 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Fair enough.

To be clear, though, I'm not saying that there's no anti-Semitism - there's definitely anti-Semitism. I just don't think it's the whole explanation.

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

(Anonymous) 2014-07-24 12:08 am (UTC)(link)
IDK, man, maybe it's the circles I travel in, but I've dishearteningly heard a lot of "Palestinian TURR'ISTS NUKE EM ALL" type rhetoric instead, whereas "holy Zion" is untouchable/under attack/right to launch multiple airstrikes in retaliation for single ground-to-ground missiles launched at random.

Myself, I'm a pacifist (grew up in a Peace Church) so I'm, like, "Both sides are KILLING each other over religious differences. BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG."

This approach makes me extremely unpopular. With everyone.
diet_poison: (Default)

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

[personal profile] diet_poison 2014-07-24 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
This approach makes me extremely unpopular. With everyone

Which makes me sad. :/

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

(Anonymous) 2014-07-24 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
DA

Me too. :(

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

(Anonymous) 2014-07-24 12:34 am (UTC)(link)

Myself, I'm a pacifist (grew up in a Peace Church) so I'm, like, "Both sides are KILLING each other over religious differences. BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG."


Same. I know it's not so simple, but at the same time... I don't know. Can't a common ground that doesn't result in death be met?

Re: Things you've been thinking about lately

(Anonymous) 2014-07-24 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
I'm pretty far left myself, and I sometimes will follow a communist (or university-kid "communist") blog for a little while until I get sick of their spamming and pet issues.

The last one I followed was really anti-Israel because they're a project of the Evil American Empire or something. I get it, but it got tiresome.

So I started looking for opinions of lefty Israelis online.

So far I see lots of "Israel is acting awful" from Muslims. From an Israeli source I saw some protests that Israel is actually trying to treat injured Palestinians in the invasion, as if that makes the rest of way it's been handled acceptable.

Not encouraging.

And then there are the posts about "Jewish solidarity" it from Jews.

If you really are going to choose to stand with your own bad actors out of racial solidarity, then yeah, maybe you are part of the problem.

I'm really sad right now. Where are the voices for de-escalation?