[ SECRET POST #333 ]

[shahni.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #333 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

- NAME THAT FANDOM IS THE FIRST COMMENT, PLEASE! ♥ And also repeats n'stuff. :3
- AUGH WE'RE HITTING NEARLY 50 SECRETS PER POST. ._.; You guys rock. ♥

Secrets Left to Post: 06 pages, 151 secrets from Secret Submission Post #048.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom. -- becausemakingtheseinthemiddleofthenightmakesmelazy^^;
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Wednesday, December 5th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[unite.livejournal.com]

As for your argument about Nel, with the hug? Holds no water. Yes, females hug other females. But there was a level of intimacy I saw between the two, on top of glance after glance, subtlety within their tones, etc. Also? I'm a lesbian. So I don't hug/cuddle my straight friends at random, I don't get all intimate with them because for me? It means something entirely different than it would for two straight girls hugging. Nel, Tynave, and Farleen exchange no intimacy - or at the very least, no hugs. It is exclusively Clair who receives such affections from Nel, and likewise.

Added to Clair's reluctance to marry (which in turn also amounts from Adray's annoying persistence of it) and the variety of ways one can interpret the Nel ending and the Adray ending in regards to both womens' sexuality. Sorry to say, Squeenix, but the only good thing in this game is the characterization (of very few) of their playable characters and the myriad of ways you can view them.

So therefore, your opinions of the characters is great because you seem very firm in your beliefs. That’s wonderful! But the fact that you can’t seem to grasp the idea that others can interpret characters and interactions differently than you do, and your comment, to me, is borderline homophobic. Your icon isn’t exactly helping in that regard, and I found it rather offensive.

[ex-monarchy375.livejournal.com]

...lol about last first part. Did you catch the "for no reason" part? :D I'm by no means homophobic, I actually do like some slash pairings, and not only do I have some friends who are far from heterosexual I was a member of the GSA at my school. I'm laughing at you so hard it's making my stomach hurt. I just LOVE it that whenever someone says anything against TEH GEHY of a couple fictional characters they HAVE to be a homophobe! And boohoo, what an offensive icon. :'D I'm going to go cry now.

Now, for the rest.

I'm not a lesbian, my best friend isn't a lesbian, and we hug a lot. We've been friends for seven years. We've gone through a lot of shit together, and whenever one starts to either look down or fall behind, the other is always there to give each other a hug. Hell, sometimes she sits on me. We're both affectionate people who are completely comfortable with our sexuality. If someone wants to point at us and go "LOL LESBIANS!!!" we just kinda laugh at them, because we're not getting anything out of it. So to me that argument does hold water. It depends on who it's coming from.

Clair wants to focus on her job, why does that make her a lesbian? She's got other things to focus on instead of getting married? I see nothing about that that points at her sexuality in any way whatsoever.

The thing is with this game, all the solo endings? They're optional. You can get whichever one you want--you can even get a solo Fayt ending. You can refuse to talk kindly to a single one of these characters and avoid almost all of the private actions. Also, everything can be interpreted differently. I don't know if you noticed, but my problem was far more with the fact that this thing had absolutely no basis other than physical appearance.

There's a difference between, "I like Nel/Clair because ____" and "THOSE TEMPLE MAIDENS ALL SHIT GAY." You completely lost the meaning of my comment with this. If character interaction is based on actual interpretation instead of just some stupid comment? I won't say a word. I have people on my friends list who disagree with me, and we both have strong opinions--but we don't fight over it because we know that we each have our reasons. I'm not telling anyone that their ship is wrong. I'm saying that just because Albel looks odd doesn't mean he's king supreme uke.

[unite.livejournal.com]

The day Albel Nox ukes is the day no one wanks on F!S. It just doesn't happen.

... I'm very, very lost on the point of your first statement right there. You've proven nothing, just that you hug a lot and you're not a lesbian for it. I could care less about your sexuality - we're talking about characters here. ...... which is really sad, because it's all so pointless, but I digress.

Clair wants to focus on her job, why does that make her a lesbian?

When did I say that? I said nothing about Clair's job. I said that she's exclusively intimate with Nel. She doesn't hug Tynave or Farleen, who were the ones in actual danger. *shrug* That was my argument, not about her focusing on her job.

And I know your problem with the secret was that it had no other basis. But my problem was with your response that didn't ONLY touch on the physical, but you bitched about his interaction with Fayt, his "daddy issues," and Nel and how she's whoaly crap not a lesbian. Nothing physical there, so what is this point I'm missing?

[ex-monarchy375.livejournal.com]

Yeah, tell that to a lot of people in the fandom. I seriously can't count how many times I've seen whiny uke Albel.

My point is that my argument does hold water, which you said it doesn't. (And if I'm reading right, you actually brought up your sexuality originally!) So, they've been friends for a while. I just...I don't see Nel/Clair, and I'm not here to argue it. I don't really care about it, and if that's how you feel, it's fine. This isn't some kind of relationship debate.

Did you see the secret? I said something about the "obsession with the male protagonist", which is mentioned, the "daddy issues makes you gay", which personally pissed me off, and the fact that since Albel was decided to be flaming gay based on his appearance, who's to say Nel wasn't either? I likely worded the Nel thing wrong, but to be honest, I'm sure there are people out there who do think like that.

[unite.livejournal.com]

Hopefully you can count the times on your fingers, which you can then curl and punch them in the face with. Nothing about Albel is whiny D|

That's a good point, something I didn't think of before, about how based on the way the Albel secret was executed, it's likely the OP might justify Nel's lesbianism in the same, physical only regard. What I took to be your words, about the short hair, strength, etc, and which I think was what ultimately offended me, you were just echoing the OP's potential argument. IT MAKES SENSE NOW. this is why I don't come here often D|

[ex-monarchy375.livejournal.com]

Seriously. I actually think it's me being aggravated with seeing that everywhere that REALLY helped me start going off on the OP. I don't normally get frustrated with fandom and leave long, nasty comments--this is actually a first for me. XD; I'm just so sick of seeing that like...everywhere. :|

Yeah! XD Not, "NEL IZNT GAY OMG!" but "Just because she looks like this and could kick your ass doesn't mean she's gay. :|" It was far more of a swing at the OP than any shippings. XD It's also why I threw the stereotype thing in too--while yes, she's a strong woman with shorter hair, and might not fall under some people's standards of the PURTY STR8 HOLY L8Y, it doesn't really reflect her sexuality one way or the other. XD

[unite.livejournal.com]

I... don't usually either XD; but so many people just fuck up on Albel's characterization that I kinda jumped at the chance to defend/talk endlessly/worship? him.

I'm a really girly lesbian, so I'm in complete agreement here. XD Thanks for not internet punching me over my misunderstanding of some of your post. And thanks for being a sane not 'omgbishie' type of Albel fan.