[ SECRET POST #335 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #335 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

I'm not actually around, Semagic is doing the work for me, so you guys do the name that fandom! :D

Also... the amount of not posted secrets today worries me. Perhaps some of you could do with a refresher on the rules and regulations?

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 47 secrets from Secret Submission Post #048.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken link, [ 1 2 3 4 ] not!secrets, [ 1 2 ] not!fandom, [ 1 ] WTF?, [ 1 ] Teal Dear Rant Sans Secret But Amusing Enough To Make A Seperate Category For Because Of The Tattoo.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Friday, December 7th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have a lot I'd like to say, but I think I need time to organize my thoughts. My only first response though is "...I don't really want to read the novels now."

I thank you for replying, though I can't quite shake the feeling that the entire Trinity Blood cast seems to have been set up in a way. Not that it's necessarily "horriblewrong" but certainly leaves an odd taste in my mouth.

[(Anonymous)]

The earlier English novels at least, edited by a native English-speaker are a crime against grammar, syntax and Google as a means to search for the fecking obvious. I’ve seen better grammatical structure in outdated English textbooks in German high schools.

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Tokyopop. Herit told me the German ones are really dead on in translation.

I am buying the Spanish ones to make my collection grow. >_> I was going to buy them in English, but after hearing SO many negative reviews and given excerpts. Er. No thanks. People who can't translate ranks correctly isn't worth my money. >.> Asta's not a Duchess.

[(Anonymous)]

That editor has recently left the company so things may show some improvement soon.

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

I heard. Did he translate RAM II? >_> Spain published ROM first then RAM, so we're getting them on the opposite order.

For what I glimpsed it looks more accurate. But... honestly "Rozen Kruez" makes me cringe.

[(Anonymous)]

She. I’m not aware of how much progress was made with RAM II but she was the editor not the translator. The translator’s job is to directly translate from the original language while the editor’s job is to render that into legible English. Somehow that latter part seemingly failed quite spectacularly.

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

LOL. Translator also needs Japanese lessons or read at LEAST wikipedia to match the historical/literature references Sunao put.

You are obvious. ;)

[(Anonymous)]

As long as she doesn’t read this and figure out it’s me then I’m fine. She was once featured on Other Than Fandom Wank and apparently speaks Japanese or so she’s claimed previously, too.

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Hmmmmmmmmm. No link about this?

[(Anonymous)]

She deleted her old journal but since you ask; I will set my minions to trawl for the OTFWank report.

[(Anonymous)]

Here (http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/284763.html).

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Thanks! :D

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Novels are awesome. As you read several (even if Tokyopop butchers titles, ranks, voices -wtf at the loss of speech patters- and names as was informed, it should give you an insight: TB isn't the battle against good vs evil, it's MOSTLY political intrigue. And RCO WAS there before the others, City wise, they have built their power base. When good guys fight in their territory and sometimes neutral ground, they lose. Barcelona and Vienna should be proof of this). Honestly, it isn't hard either. Vatican (as much as I love the Cardinals like Antonio, Caterina and Francesco) and Empire... (no experience in the Outer and diplomacy other than Asta. LOL) uh... as a reader I think their systems suck so much. Germanicus Kingdom and Albion Kingdom after Esther = kick ass.

What would you suggest me to "improve" in your opinion?

[(Anonymous)]

I have so been schooled by my own canon ignorance. I have read two of the Trinity Blood novels, as released by Tokyopop and have done some research finding little pieces of the novel translated by others. Even if it is political intrigue I feel that now I will be disappointed. I was hoping for something that matched my impression from the manga (which was a far more twisted human domain of power and not power and the like). Though from what I've seen (and from what you've said, if the two match with the novels) it seems to be more about the machine and the pieces that work together mechanically/systematically/formulaically than anything.

I have a deep interest in complex humanism or void of, not the political machine. Thank you for your time, at least I won't waste any money buying the rest of the novels now!

(I hope you don't think this is an attack, but a realization of my personal preferences and perhaps why I prefer the manga to the novels. Or why I'm finding myself leaning towards those interpretations.)

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Even if it is political intrigue I feel that now I will be disappointed. I was hoping for something that matched my impression from the manga (which was a far more twisted human domain of power and not power and the like).

There is that too, but the plot is political. See the war is triggered, but the two strong nations are Albion (led by Esther) and Germanicus (controlled by the Orden). We have NO idea if Germanicus will be defeated in the end by Esther's people. Because the author died... before this happened or was lined up to happen?

Actually, it's quite fitting Germanicus and Albion survive. The Vatican destruction and the Empire blind backslash without their Empress. They are both big on co existence, ironically, Esther takes care of those Ghettos of Methuselah and Germanicus HAS Methuselah and Terran nobles sharing power (as can be seen in the power structure of the Orden). :)

(I hope you don't think this is an attack, but a realization of my personal preferences and perhaps why I prefer the manga to the novels. Or why I'm finding myself leaning towards those interpretations.)

Don't worry. I will suggest you to read the material too. There's big on redeemptions as well: Abel, from crazy mysogist Contra Mundi and war leader who hated humans and slaughtered them (Think Knives from Trigun only with true love who is his opposite: Lilith) to the Abel now.

If I was condescending, please forgive me. I didn't mean to. I tried to explain our choices and why we did this development.

[(Anonymous)]

Perhaps I should clarify my statement. For me, personally, RP should reflect a feeling from the series. And if it is possible for the feeling from the RP to be so definitely in the favor of a polar end then it becomes boring or wrong for me. In the case of this matching with canon then I must concede to disliking parts of/most of the canon itself.

Human struggle, or inhuman struggle, was what I saw in Trinity Blood the manga. Something worth looking at in everyone and an overcoming of single dimensions. Radu is weak, but he also had the strength to break Dietrich's control that one time. Dietrich is twisted, horrible, irredeemable but there's also something worth paying attention there no matter how ugly. Esther (and her nun-ness was up-played and her terrorist downplayed) even though she was the typical female in many ways had a shine to her.

If indeed the RP reflects the novels and (what I feel) all of these characteristics are lost then I have no interest in them.

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Perhaps I should clarify my statement. For me, personally, RP should reflect a feeling from the series. And if it is possible for the feeling from the RP to be so definitely in the favor of a polar end then it becomes boring or wrong for me. In the case of this matching with canon then I must concede to disliking parts of/most of the canon itself.

As I told before. If there were MORE Ax/Inquisition players, this would change. So far it's RCO centric because ALMOST all the Orden is there. If this displeases you.... er... either apply for someone of your liking.

Dietrich is twisted, horrible, irredeemable but there's also something worth paying attention there no matter how ugly.

Have I not be doing that? Because I'm trying to portray Dietrich with his Luciferean role: outwardly blindingly perfect, the Light Bringer. Inside, he's got Satan's heart who seeks evil. There's also Dietrich's tragic side. He's basically someone born with everything: looks, smarts, wealth, title, and life/socialization turned him into the most evil character ever in his canon. Radu and Esther muns should ask you those, but I'm curious. Because so far you have criticize them but not Dietrich himself. If there's something I should improve with Dietrich (cannot do anything for others), please, by all means, suggest it.

[(Anonymous)]

I've been meaning to discuss interaction more than characterization, since it's a more murky situation (I think). I may have failed in that attempt. And since I am guessing you play Dietrich from the novel my own taken on the situation is entirely falsified since I mainly know the manga. However, in the manga he comes across as tantalizing, enigmatic, but always there when you need him. Elegant. I'm not entirely sure how to say this without sounding rather stupid, but whenever I read your Dietrich I always feel like he's a fawning sycophant, not a sociopath. Perhaps you don't read him as a sociopath, which is fine. This is probably a clash of perspective.

It also feels like you say he's both just a victim of circumstance but also inherently evil, which is a contradiction. But again, mostly based on reading and I have no idea to your authorial intent.

I see how activity is working against you as well, since the impression that comes off of the RP is that Dietrich controls everything (which may be true? He is the puppetmaster behind many things) but that all the pieces are set around him. And I have missed the pulling his puppets back to him, I haven't been following nor am I a hugely active reader -- I have to say I was fairly spurned on to check out the cast from the secret's declaration of what seemed to be perfection and godly skills. So my surprise was rather great when I saw what seemed to be a huge clash between my own perspective and the secret writer's.

[sir-hellsing.livejournal.com]

Novels offer far more insight on Dietrich's behavior (and all the Orden's). There's even Orden only episodes/tales where he acts as a whiny brat who complains to Isaak or as a cruel pransker. I did a full Dietrich analysis to play him in Poly. Here (http://sir-hellsing.livejournal.com/356428.html) for you.

I read your Dietrich I always feel like he's a fawning sycophant, not a sociopath. Perhaps you don't read him as a sociopath, which is fine. This is probably a clash of perspective.

Oh. He IS a sociopath. But he's also part of a court who has a script to play. That sycophant act is COMPLETELY purposeful on my side. I was glad you said it and saw it. It's Dietrich's current little act. He has done a lot of selective torture (Radu, his interactions with Light - like is daemon day where he proded people's souls to see the pain reaction and enlisted Light to go with him- breaking Cirucci Thunderwitch, setting up Asta to give in the thirst, etc).

It also feels like you say he's both just a victim of circumstance but also inherently evil, which is a contradiction. But again, mostly based on reading and I have no idea to your authorial intent.

I gave you the link above. His family assumed he was evil to the bone, after five years or so of treating him like a monster for being smart (oh geeee, surprise he showed an evil inclination when no one taught him morals ._. I find him a very pitiful character).

But just for you, await more true colors!Dietrich in private soon. I often understand readers/people who are in game or not, KNOW that the guy is a complete fake (OOCLY I mean). But your input will be listened to remind them: he's up to NO good. Well, he THINKS is good, ironically... He DOES believe the Orden WILL improve the world. L-Lol. I can see the Orden POV. Where the Vatican's and Empire's systems threaten to dominate and fester...

Orden started as a group of philosophers, the Golden Dawn, that were discontented with the world they lived. The state of humanity, science, etc, were so deplorable. Isaak and Cain militarized it. Hell, Dietrich's and Isaak's science is labeled witchcraft by the Vatican and thus heresy. Sure, they aren't good, but Vatican isn't a special pure snownflake either. Including the Ax: Monica Argento (Black Widow) tried to KILL Abel, and ISAAK pushed him out the way to stake the stab in RAM VI. As you see... there's a lot of layers if a bad guy saved a good guy from one of his team members.

I see how activity is working against you as well, since the impression that comes off of the RP is that Dietrich controls everything (which may be true? He is the puppetmaster behind many things) but that all the pieces are set around him.

This wasn't in the beginning. Dietrich set those pieces around him with patience and time. I invested a LOT of rp time for this too. Because Dietrich's very, very proactive. Unless he's bored... he's got mad mood swings. He wanted to CONTROL the situation and worked hard to this happen. This is a guy who became a superior of the Orden when he was 10, being a Terran WITHOUT any power, he is fairly obsessive in getting his way through acts.

So my surprise was rather great when I saw what seemed to be a huge clash between my own perspective and the secret writer's.

I understand and respect it. :) I'll give a reminder of evil!Dietrich for those who missed old posts. TB itself for the complexity of characters gives room to MANY interpretations, so I know what you are coming from, even if I don't agree.