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⌈ Secret Post #2774 ⌋

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I am so confused. o.O

Other than that, as many people have pointed out, what about M/M porn? And what about porn where women aren't getting exploited?

I mean, yeah, I'll agree that there is a lot of exploitation within the porn industry, but the act of having sex on camera for money is not inherently exploitative, so boycotting the entire live-action porn industry is pointless.

Besides, if you're going by the principle that "some people in this business are being exploited, so the entire business must be boycotted", you'd have to boycott anyone who uses overseas, underpaid/minimum wage, underage, or immigrant labor. Which is nearly every business in modern civilization.

You like coffee and chocolate? Too bad, those have a track record for illegal slave labor, so no more for you. And no more imported fruits and vegetables, given the amount of child labor in those industries. And no going to at least half of all American retailers who pay their workers minimum wage (which, yes, is nearly always tantamount to underpaying workers, depending on what state you're in). And given the amount of harassment (sexual and otherwise) waiters and waitresses face on a daily basis, combined with the fact they are only paid a fraction of the minimum wage and have to rely on inconsistent tips for the rest of their pay - no more restaurants for you!

Do you see where I'm going with this, OP? If an industry has a lot of exploitation but the business is not based off an inherently exploitative or abusive action, then boycotting or eliminating that industry doesn't really help or solve anything.

"But look at all of these OTHER bad things!! Let's change the subject to them instead!"

That's so old it's on page one of the Big Book of Excuses To Never Do Good In The World.

I'm not changing the subject, I'm making a point: getting rid of or boycotting a toxic industry won't actually get rid of the toxicity, and it devalues the good people are trying to do to change the industry and empower people within it.

Are women routinely exploited and abused in the porn industry? Yes. Is that inherent to the live-action porn industry? No. As people have pointed out, there are lots of people trying to change the porn industry to make it less toxic.

Saying "women are abused in the porn industry, so there should be no porn industry" would be like someone saying decades ago saying, "people of color are discriminated against in NASA, so there should be no NASA". If there had been no NASA, how would someone like Mae Jemison have been able to break the barriers of race and gender in the first place? How would getting rid of an organization/industry that was racist have actually gotten rid of racism?

Even if we could hypothetically get rid of the entire live-action porn industry, sexism and misogyny would still be around. Doing so would be the equivalent of treating a symptom instead of a cause.

I'd say porn would be an easier fix, since it's not a necessity and a lot of these things are happening in the US and other Western countries. But you're not actually interested in thinking all that much about this, are you?

lol pretty much

definitely proof that more words doesn't make your stance any smarter

Assuming you're not the same person commenting multiple times*, I'm using all those examples to make a point: getting rid of the porn industry wouldn't solve the problem of sexism, misogyny, abuse, and exploitation.

* = given the syntactical similarities, I consider this a pretty big "if" right here

I don't remember anyone saying that getting rid of one manifestation of sexism would get rid of sexism. That was something you made up just now, possibly because you realize that asking people to not try and solve problems while other problems are happening is pretty dumb.

I'm going by what the Secret OP said or implied in the secret. What good would getting rid of the live-action porn industry actually do? It wouldn't actually stop sexual abuse and exploitation from happen - getting rid of the porn industry would just shift it elsewhere. Better to change the porn industry, not get rid of it.

not eating meat would be just as easy. not buying three shirts every other week would be easy. For me, it's really much easier than never watching porn again. so stop being so fucking judgemental just because you don't like porn.

The fact that There Are Lots of Bad Things Happening isn't a reason to not do one good thing. And it's actually pretty disgusting that you think that it is.

No, but it is a good reason to stop and thing, "Will this action actually solve the problem, or just get rid of a symptom while still leaving the underlying problem at large to go corrupt something else?"

DA

Yeah, but unlike the other things, this is actually a pretty easy fix. Drawn/animated porn WILL solve the problem of exploitation and rape because it removes the physical people from the arena.
And as people have said, live action porn specifically isn't much of a necessity of life, it's a nice thing people use to get their rocks off. Even if it's only a symptom, the porn industry is worth billions, and getting rid of it could actually change the lives of some of the women exploited by it.

a.) What would happen to those women after? A lot of them would be left completely jobless because they only turned to pornography as a last resort in the first place. Or, many women found it to be a better option than their other job possibilities at the time.

b.) Saying "it's not a necessity" seems to imply we should just get rid of every industry in which some people are exploited. Where is the line on that one? We don't need imported fruits and vegetables, so we should stop getting them because child labor. We don't need entertainment like musicians, TV shows, movies, etc. so we should stop consuming those because of how many people get exploited within those industries. Why bother having things like, say, amusement parks when those workers are often underpaid labor?

c.) Exploitation and rape would still be around even without the porn industry - it would just shift to somewhere else, possibly somewhere where women couldn't at least "get a little something back" via getting paid for it. And again, where is the line on that? At one point do we get rid of an industry or organization because there is too much sexual assault? 1 in 3 female soldiers are raped - should we get rid of the military? Or should we just get rid of women in the military, 'removing them from the arena'?

d.) If we take a step closer to reality for a moment, there really is no getting rid of the live-action porn industry. Trying to get rid of it would just drive it underground, where women would be even more vulnerable to exploitation and abuse. Better to do the opposite - work to bring it further "above ground" and into the mainstream, so performers and other porn workers* will have much more recourse and legitimacy in pursuing abusers and ending exploitation.

* = porn stars are actually only a comparatively small part of the porn industry; for every single, pair, or handful of performers in a given pornographic film, there are at least a dozen people involved in things like filming, editing, pre- and post-production, marketing, distribution, etc. Hell, a friend of mine does special effects for superhero porn, while another did a porn movie with just himself in it (masturbation porn) and there were still multiple other people involved in "getting it out there".

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