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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-08 06:58 pm

[ SECRET POST #2775 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2775 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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04. [SPOILERS for Saints Row 4]



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05. [SPOILERS for Hemlock Grove]



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06. [SPOILERS for The Walking Dead Game Episode 4: Amid the Ruins]



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07. [SPOILERS for Once Upon a Time]



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08. [SPOILERS for Graceland]



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09. [WARNING for rape]



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(Anonymous) 2014-08-08 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
It is downright confusing to me how people keep trying to do this with ASoIaF/GoT characters. "This" meaning "sort them into the good ones whose actions are defensible and the bad ones whose actions are wicked."

It is one of the central points of the story that every character in it is making morally compromised choices in a badly broken system. The absolute best any character can hope to be, morally, is less awful than they might have been. And even then, no good deed goes unpunished for long. That is a core theme that is returned to again and again and AGAIN, that this world is broken and fucked up and doesn't let anyone be good.

Trying to decide that some of these characters are the good, defensible ones is like watching The Avengers and saying "But do they have to FIGHT the aliens?" It's like watching Community and saying "This school shouldn't be state-accredited." It's like watching Hannibal and saying "Gosh, the logistics of some of these murders seem far-fetched." I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT STORY YOU THINK YOU ARE WATCHING.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-08 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
But you don't understand, anon. My team is good and your team is bad, and it's important that everyone knows this.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-09 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Current fandom hates when stories aren't black and white and if characters are morally complex. It's especially honed on tumblr where this attitude is the prevailing one.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-11 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
Current fandom?

Oh, you young whippersnapper. I've been in fandom since the '80s and this stuff has a LONG history.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-18 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, me too, but I don't remember it being quite so virulent, back in the day, for some reason. The whole "stories must have good clear morals and perfectly distinguish right from wrong OR IT IS BAD" was always there, but I remember at least a majority of people being like "lol no". Now it seems like that's the default attitude to take.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-09 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Do people really say that about The Avengers and Community? Because that does happen with Hannibal.