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[ SECRET POST #2775 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2775 ⌋

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09. [WARNING for rape]

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09. [WARNING for rape]
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Let's not ignore the elephant in the room.

Tyrion was not just thirteen, he was a thirteen year old dwarf, with deformed legs on top of it, no combat training, in a room full of his very powerful father's very big, very trained guards.

What was he supposed to do, exactly?

Yeah, that too. AND his father didn't like him, so it's not like he had any influence with Tywin. I don't think begging for mercy (which was really the only option Tyrion had) would've made the slightest bit of difference. It might've made things worse, given Tywin's scorn for what he considers weakness.

It's more or less the same situation that Sansa was in WRT her dad getting killed, in a way. Both of them were little kids, whose loved ones were being threatened by Tywin Lannister, and faced with the political, military, and economic force he commanded, and more broadly the whole political and social order of the realm, of course neither of them were able to do anything.

It's standard for SJWs to demonize Tyrion and blame him for everything.

In your imagination, or do you actually have any evidence of this whatsoever?

Did you actually read the portion in the white background text? Someone on tumblr is specifically blaming fandom for not holding Tyrion responsible because he "stood by and let his wife get gang-raped by a barrack of guards".

It's literally right there in the secret.

Re: It's literally right there in the secret.

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Re: It's literally right there in the secret.

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Side-eyeing the post from the Catelyn stan for using the "she has reasons" argument when "reasons are not excuses" are the foundation of their argument against sympathizing with male characters who do awful things.

Reasons are not excuse when it's a character they hate.

I don't get what the "looming possibility" of Robb's death is supposed to refer to. If it's in reference to the war Robb leads; Robb only considers Jon his heir in the worst-case scenario that (they believe) his trueborn brothers to be dead.

If it's in reference to child mortality... again, that's why she and Ned had other sons. You can even tell the story there by the kids' ages- Robb is born during the war, then in peacetime there's Sansa, Arya, and Bran in quick succession. Having had a secondary male heir, they don't try hard to another child for a few years, so there's the gap in age between Bran and Rickon.

Trueborn always comes first, and it's not like Jon was going to kill Robb for Winterfell (at any point in their life), and it's out of character even for Catelyn to think that he would.

I don't think the person in question is talking about a rational calculation about Jon posing a threat to anyone. It's just that Catelyn is scared her son, who she loves deeply, is going to die and so she lashes out at someone.

It's probably in reference to the fact that the sole on-screen (or on-page) instance of Catelyn being actually cruel to Jon, rather than just chilly and distant, is when Bran's comatose and at death's door after falling from the tower.

This actually reminds me of some old wank about the Millennium trilogy (i.e. the author witnessed a rape as a teen by his 'friends' and was too scared to intervene, but it basically haunted him all his life).

I just honestly wonder what these people think a teenage boy can do when outnumbered?

I mean, the chance that your heroic intervention would actually stop it, is vastly overshadowed by the likelihood of you yourself getting beat up or worse.

It's insane.

You can blame a few things on Tyrion - but that one? No.

And with Tyrion there's the added complication he's not just outnumbered, but his dad was a manipulative asshole, who was unfortunately also one of the richest and most powerful men alive.

Not to mention that Tyrion was, as a different secret once put it, essentially raped by proxy when his dad forced him to fuck Tysha last. A thirteen-year-old being forced by their father to have sex against their will... if Tyrion were a girl nobody would have trouble understanding that as rape.

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It is downright confusing to me how people keep trying to do this with ASoIaF/GoT characters. "This" meaning "sort them into the good ones whose actions are defensible and the bad ones whose actions are wicked."

It is one of the central points of the story that every character in it is making morally compromised choices in a badly broken system. The absolute best any character can hope to be, morally, is less awful than they might have been. And even then, no good deed goes unpunished for long. That is a core theme that is returned to again and again and AGAIN, that this world is broken and fucked up and doesn't let anyone be good.

Trying to decide that some of these characters are the good, defensible ones is like watching The Avengers and saying "But do they have to FIGHT the aliens?" It's like watching Community and saying "This school shouldn't be state-accredited." It's like watching Hannibal and saying "Gosh, the logistics of some of these murders seem far-fetched." I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT STORY YOU THINK YOU ARE WATCHING.

But you don't understand, anon. My team is good and your team is bad, and it's important that everyone knows this.

Current fandom hates when stories aren't black and white and if characters are morally complex. It's especially honed on tumblr where this attitude is the prevailing one.

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Do people really say that about The Avengers and Community? Because that does happen with Hannibal.

Damnit, at first I thought all the text was the secret and for a minute I was wondering why OP was contracting themselves.

Anyway, not condoning what Tyrion did, but I do agree he was put in a tough spot.

Fuck yeah it's hypocritical. Thirteen and a dwarf besides, against a barrack full of fully grown and presumably vicious guards under his dad's employ. NO mention of Jaime, who also stood by and watched it happen, tho he was pretty good with a sword at the time?

I don't understand the hate Cat gets - tho I severely dislike her blaming a boy for his father's sin of adultery - but there's no reason to throw a thirteen year old under the bus trying to defend her. It just takes a shit all over your stand, OP.

SA

Grr, the secret is confusing. I don't mean the OP, but am agreeing with the OP and disagreeing with the Cat Stan.

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Why does it take a shit all over OP's stand? OP is disagreeing with the white text.

Was Jaime actually there? IIRC he was under the impression she was just going to be paid off and sent away, and didn't actually find out what really happened until well after the fact.

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ginainthekingsroad - 2014-08-09 19:21 (UTC) - Expand

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Tyrion, but that incident is absolutely on Tywin.

I think people just expect a lot from others - these days even more than before, and I think there are a lot of blurring in the lines of maturity and what people do in certain ages.
Kids grow up extremely fast now too, at least mentally, or are pretending to. But that doesn't excuse the fact that they're usually physically uncapable to defend others, not to mention Tyrion the dwarf. How would've he taken out one man let alone ten others? If you were thirteen years old?

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