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[ SECRET POST #336 ]

⌈ Secret Post #336 ⌋

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So... Let me get this straight.

These female characters, according to you, all suck...

Because they fall in love with the lead male and happen to use white magic. :/

Edit: Might as well through this in. I only say this because for Elena, you fail to include Millenia, who doesn't use magic, but still happens to fall in love with Ryudo.

You don't include Quistis, who harbors a crush on Squall throughout almost the entire game.

You don't include Natalia, who can't decide WHO she loves until the end of the game.

You don't include Eiko who BLATANTLY has a crush on Zidane.

I mean... Yeah.

Edited 2007-12-08 07:04 (UTC)

It's not about who falls in love with who, it's about STORY ROLES. I also happen to find their personalities extremely similar, but since nobody else seems to agree I've given up arguing that as a lost cause.

Millenia is not included because I don't find her personality similar. At all.

I don't include Quistis because she isn't Rinoa and does not occupy Rinoa's role in the story.

I don't include Natalia because... dammit, I already said it was a mistake to include Tear and I said it like three times, so can we just skip Tales of the Abyss?

I don't include Eiko because she's not Dagger and does not occupy Dagger's role in the story. Also, she's like six. Six does not make for a real love interest. I hope.

I am so not in the mood for trying to re-hash everything I said about roles.

Also, Eiko strikes me as the cutesy type - even if she were old enough, the protagonist NEVER gets together with the cutesy type. It's like an RPG rule.

Does Squall end up with Selphie?
Does Cloud end up with Yuffie?
Does Tidus end up with Rikku?
Does Senel end up with Norma?
Does Luke end up with Anise? (again, the pedo)

Even if Eiko were not SIX, she still wouldn't even be close to approaching the type that I'm talking about because she's too cheerful and upbeat.

Actually, speaking as a Tidus/Rikku shipper and a Cloud/Yuffie shipper, I'd say that's entirely the choice of the fans. You can't say protaganist/spunky girl romance can never happen, because that's what fanfic is FOR. Hell, Yuffie is the only character who canonically kisses Cloud. So there. :3

And hey, japanese media and loli...*bricked*

~Miri

In the fic, sure, you've got no arguments from me, but it canon?

I can't think of one example where it actually happens. (And the date scenario with Yuffie is an optional, so it doesn't reeeally count).

I think it's unfair to write something off as "it's optional, so itdoesn't count". Games give you the option of choosing relationship values for a reason, after all!

In FFX, you get a scene with whoever you have the highest relationship with. I got Lulu my first playthrough, and Rikku on my second. On both, you have the option of choosing to say "I'd rather have you, [Character]" in response to a question about Yuna.

In FF7, I think it's incredibly telling that Yuffie is the only one to kiss him.

In Tales of Symphonia, the spunky-girl Sheena has a very obvious crush on Lloyd (main character). And again, with a high relationship value, his interactions with her can outweigh the 'canon' bias towards Colette (female lead).

I don't think you can say that there IS a canon love thing in FF7, actually. Nomura has said that he deliberately didn't resolve the Cloud-Tifa-Aeris triangle - there's no reason why Yuffie is any less of a candidate.

[tl;dr - Miri is a shipbitch who thinks too deeply about stuff.]

~Miri

Edited 2007-12-11 16:06 (UTC)

Does Vaan end up with Pene... oh.
Does Sora end up with Kai... oh. (Yeah, sorry, Kairi giggles, skips school, runs races, etc. She's more the cutesy type than the gentle soul type).

Other than that I can't talk, because I mostly have Atlus/SMT games on my shelf, and they tend to lack the cutesy sorts, but.

I haven't finished FFXII, so I didn't know that. If you're talking general trends, in the majority of cases it doesn't happen. I was making a generalization, I admit.

Okay... Well, have fun with that one. I'm not going to argue with generalizations.

Blanketing female characters I love under the "they aren't good enough for the men" sucks, but obviously we're going to get blue in the face arguing opinion here.

Because you're not arguing 'role in the story' even though you claim you are, or you would have included Millenia without a DOUBT, because her role in the story is, by definition, no different from Elenas.

You simply don't care for the soft spoken woman, which is fine.

Also, arguing about pairing ages is TL;DR. You should KNOW that age isn't really an object in fandom or loli and shota wouldn't exist.

I was assuming that we were talking about the canon. In any videogame, can you ever thing of a cutesy girl who gets together with the protagonist at the end? I really can't think of a single RPG where they do. As soon as the girl who will be the protagonist's love interest is introduced, you know that it's going to be her that gets together with the guy. Even if there's a love triangle, it's obvious who's going to lose (...FFVII was an exception because Aeris threw a wrench in the gears by dying.)

As for Millenia - her personality is too aggressive and brash to click with my image of the typical love interest. That's why I didn't include her. Also, she isn't a white mage.

When the hell did I ever say "they aren't good enough for the men"? If anything, I think they're too good. People keep defending these women by saying that they're strong, capable women - and yes, they are! I'm not arguing that at all! They are very, very, strong, capable women! And you know what? I can't identify with this uber-feminine, kind, caring bastion of emotional strength.

I can't understand Aeris because she lives as a lab rat, ends up in the slums, has her mother die, her boyfriend die, predicts her own death and walks straight towards it for the good of the Planet and is fine the entire time. She's so far and above anything I'll ever experience that I will never understand her. If she has depth this is why I can't see it.

Cloud, on the other hand? For most of the game he's a total wreck! I can understand Cloud a hell of a lot more than I can understand Aeris.

What I've been trying to define about these characters is that from Rosa to Yuna on up, I can't identify with a single one of them. Whatever they are, they are so completely unlike me that I am completely incapable of understanding, sympathizing, or liking them at all.

If you want me to be flat honest I'm the OP of 31 as well. The reason I get so irritated about the whole damn thing is that I'm sick of seeing sweet, feminine and emotionally strong (not that Shirley is what I'd call strong... that was just kind of a 'last straw' game for me) women always get the guy. I get enough of that shit in RL without having it shoved in my face in fiction that the only kind of woman that's desirable is that kind that I can never be.

I spent a bajillion posts trying to link together characters in a way that wouldn't make sense to anybody else because they're not me. I find RPG love interests to be of a similar type, but nobody seems to agree with me on that and it still drives me insane.

Anyway, sorry about the huge tl;dr, but I had twenty-four hours to sit on it and I want to try to cushion the effects of my initial knee-jerk reaction to the wank.

to be honest I don't get the part about RL. I don't know anyone like that in real life which is why I personally dislike the more extreme examples of the healer girl cliche- they're so unrealistic it's impossible to relate to them. I do feel like they're a collection of ideal feminine attributes put together but in the end you get something soulless and empty, not a "real" person you can love or hate.

oh and I agree with the other people- some of the girls you picked are waaay off!

Ah, but when I tried to draw similarities between the characters and say, "Look, these characters are similar" I got bombarded from every direction. The only thing that can't be argued with is something that is purely a matter of personal opinion.

Elena and Tear, for reasons which I really don't want to go over again, yes. The others? I'll stand by my statement.

.... Wow. You are a very shallow person. That might be the real reason you can't get a boy friend.

Thanks so much, anon. I'm happy to know that a random stranger on the internet is making value judgements about me based on little to no information after having never met me in the first place. It really makes me feel good about the human race.

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