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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-08-16 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2783 ]


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(Anonymous) 2014-08-16 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I wanted to like her a lot but can't stand Pratchett's writing of women who are meant to be attractive (Adora, Angua, Susan, Saccharissa the journalist, the vampire who joined the Watch). Even if they're amazing badasses and I should love them it ruins it for me. He can't go a page without mentioning that, hey, she's hot. There are way worse male gazers in fantasy lit but it still sucks because you want Pterry to be better. If only he had as many men where their hotness is integral to their character.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-16 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I can see that, anon. It bugs me too. I really, really wanted to like Angua in particular.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
If only he had as many men where their hotness is integral to their character.

Well, there's Greebo. And arguably Carrot. But I take your point about it being mentioned more with the women.

I'd argue about the attractiveness being integral to their characters in some cases. I mean, it's there, but it's really not the only or even first thing of note about, say, Susan. I don't even remember it being commented on much in her case, except to point out the more unearthly elements of her heritage? Though it's been a while, so I could be misremembering, but even still. Susan in particular isn't really remembered for her looks.

Angua, on the other hand ... Yeah.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
...I really don't remember that.
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[personal profile] greenvelvetcake 2014-08-17 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
I actually feel it's much more balanced than other books. Reread the Watch books and count up how many times Angua is mentioned as being attractive versus how many times Carrot is mentioned as being attractive. I swear, not one book goes by without a comment on his glistening muscles. (Not to mention two of the books' climaxes involve Vimes running around buck ass naked.)

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 07:30 am (UTC)(link)
I love Vimes, but him running around naked is hardly for titillation. He's a skinny old wrinkled man.
Carrot is never mentioned as being attractive. He is mentioned as being powerful and strong and typical male power fantasy-ish.
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[personal profile] greenvelvetcake 2014-08-17 10:32 pm (UTC)(link)
What books were you reading? Carrot is constantly being described as attractive, by both male and female characters.

(Anonymous) 2014-08-17 08:38 am (UTC)(link)
I just reread the Watch books a few weeks ago actually, and Carrot is always big, strong, and charismatic. Angua on the other hand has boobies.
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[personal profile] greenvelvetcake 2014-08-17 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Angua is clever, fierce, resourceful, sarcastic, calm under pressure, and a good copper, though occasionally reckless and prone to anger. She has her own arcs in the books with dwarfs (especially Cheery, who went from hating all werewolves to being her good friend), golems, vampires, family, and loyalty.

But no, she's just about the tits n' ass. Nothing more to see here. You might want to work on your reading comprehension.