[ SECRET POST #2787 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2787 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/UmTyUa7.png

[(Anonymous)]

Well, her being a woman isn't the point of the film so I don't think you're really missing the point of Frozen. I think one of the only Disney films where genderswapping the main character would be flat out missing the point is if you only like genderswapped Mulan.

[(Anonymous)]

I think gender-swapping Mulan would actually be okay too if it was a genderswap AU -- where you genderswapped ALL the characters and made it into a matriarchy in a parallel universe.

[(Anonymous)]

Sounds like a fun fanfiction. Also sounds like a cool story if it was unrelated to the Disney movie.

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily the point, exactly, since the point is "sibling love", but the fact that they are sisters is especially noteworthy, given that sister relationships almost never get the spotlight in any form of media. Parent-child in any form, brother-brother...sure. But really, very rarely sister-sister.

Still, I certainly think you'd be missing the point of _Anna_ if you tried to make her a guy. A lot of her character is based on presumptions and gender roles--i.e. waiting for a man, thinking romance is the ultimate form of love, etc.

But...thinking on that, some of that certainly applies to Elsa. Be a perfect, well-behaved lady who is demure and soft-spoken, and the whole point of Let It Go (and, IMO, the reason it resonated so strongly) is about throwing away those kinds of expectations.

[peablossom]

Wasn't the point: don't try to hide who you are, because that is infinitely more dangerous than anything else you can do, and also don't trust weirdos who want to marry you as soon as you meet.

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you only care about Elsa as a gender swap, though?

I'll fully admit there are characters I love as gender swaps.

I love reading Jim Kirk as a gender swap. Especially when it comes to the promiscuity, I just get a kick out of making Jim a girl but then keeping everyone's reactions the same. It's great fun.

I like him just fine as a canon male however.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have fic recs for fem Kirk by any chance?

[(Anonymous)]

yeah why is a character only likeable when you make it a guy? I don't get that, and I know a lot of men and women who think that way. :/

[insanenoodlyguy]

Not in a pretty dress.

Dropped.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I can see why a story about a guy learning to embrace his emotions would appeal to you more.

[sarillia]

Yeah I was thinking about this too.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really see how the character's gender is "the point" of the movie. The point of the movie seemed to me to be about embracing yourself and the reward of allowing people to get close. I know people make a big deal about the gender aspects of the movie but the gender dynamic is not the point of it.

[diet_poison]

That is a really lazy genderswap. And it makes me sad because I like genderswap. But that one is basically "take out the boobs and shorten the hair". Boring.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate Elsa as a gender swap. He always looks so off to me. Like they didn't try very hard to make him look like a man, and it comes off looking like some yaoi abomination.

Actually, all the gender bents scream do not want to me. Has anyone made a female Shang yet? I think that's the only one I haven't seen...

[sarillia]

Someone needs to point me to an AU where Shang is a woman because the idea of that just made me really happy.

[(Anonymous)]

Or Mulan as a man?

ohhh wait

I crack myself up lol

[(Anonymous)]

This actually reminded me that I wanted to unwind and read some BL manga.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really see anything wrong with Male Elsa looking a bit feminine, Elsa herself has a baby face and a thin frame, and people trying to make a male version of her look super manly and buff (I've seen it) just doesn't fit the character.

[darkmanifest]

I've seen this complaint before and I don't get it. What, exactly, is unmanly about most of the gender swaps? Dude!Elsa looks more or less like a blond Hans to me, just a pretty dude who doesn't have the huge physique and massive square jaw that denotes stereotypical manliness in other cartoon dudes, like, uh, what's his face. The dude who was in love with his reindeer.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think Elsa's gender is a key point of the film. It is not about sisterly love, it is about sibling love. Well, that and the fact that it was Anna's act of true love that saved her.

[(Anonymous)]

Holy crap.

You just made me realize that possibly the only reason I like that movie so much is because it was about sisters. Any other gender combo and my brain just throws up a big red sign of DO NOT WANT.

[duaedesigns]

I think it's not so much that Elsa and Anna are both girls is the "point" of the film, but that it is important to the film that they're both girls. So I kind of get where the OP is coming from.

Like for example, the fact Hiccup is an amputee is not the 'point' of HTTYD, but it is an important part of his character and if you said "I only find him interesting in fic/fanart when he has both legs" It would feel a little... odd?

To me it would be a different story if it was two brothers. Especially as platonic male friendship and brotherhood is a common theme in movies. I mean, I can't really think of a gender flipped alternative to LOTR or The Hobbit or Avengers.

Maybe that's why gender swapped works for you? Two guys learning the power of friendship with a sexually treacherous female villain and girl who's along mainly as potential love interest is more familiar and what a movie 'should' be?

[(Anonymous)]

Describing Hans as "sexually treacherous" really gives him waaaaaay more credit than he deserves

[solticisekf]

This genderswapped version looks hot, althiugh I can't imagine there being many fics with m!Elsa.