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⌈ Secret Post #2787 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why do you only care about Elsa as a gender swap, though?

I'll fully admit there are characters I love as gender swaps.

I love reading Jim Kirk as a gender swap. Especially when it comes to the promiscuity, I just get a kick out of making Jim a girl but then keeping everyone's reactions the same. It's great fun.

I like him just fine as a canon male however.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have fic recs for fem Kirk by any chance?

[skippydelicious]

Yeah, Turnabout Intruder by The Great Bird of the Galaxy. Available here .

[(Anonymous)]

This is where I'd start:

http://archiveofourown.org/works?utf8=✓&commit=Sort+and+Filter&work_search%5Bsort_column%5D=kudos_count&work_search%5Bother_tag_names%5D=&work_search%5Bquery%5D=&work_search%5Blanguage_id%5D=&work_search%5Bcomplete%5D=0&tag_id=Female+James+T*d*+Kirk

There was this wonderful long fan fiction with girl Kirk that made me fall in love with it, but I can't find it anymore…

One of my favorites that's still up though has Kirk wear the "fat shirt" and torment Spock with it.

Here it is: http://archiveofourown.org/works/112530/chapters/156427

Decimation by waldorph

I LOVE that fic.

[(Anonymous)]

yeah why is a character only likeable when you make it a guy? I don't get that, and I know a lot of men and women who think that way. :/

[(Anonymous)]

I'll be honest. I'm a very shallow and lamentably straight woman.

Whenever a character's a guy, it usually means eye candy on top of a great character. Women can still be great characters mind you (and I love oodles of them), but there's no cherry on top that satisfies my perverse sexual lust.

Sometimes I watch movies like Lord of the Rings and I'm just overwhelmed by the pretty. So much so that I almost feel sorry for the straight guys in the audience.

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, for female characters, they too often forget about the 'great characters' part and only care about the eye candy.

Which suuuuuuuuuucks, because it's so much more fun lusting after a character when they're actually a good interesting goddamn character. Fucking Hollywood.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I agree. There's great female characters but they're a lot rarer than the guys.

I honestly don't understand why straight men don't complain about it more. I can't like a male character (no matter how good-looking I find him to be) if I find him poorly developed. *cough* Legolas *cough* Conversely, I've actually found myself finding certain actors hot once I was interested in their characters (…Leonard Nimoy).

[(Anonymous)]

There's many reasons. I think straight men tend not to approach fiction in that way, for one thing - I think a lot of guys are, if not satisfied, at least not willing to protest over having characters who are just eyecandy. I think there's also a certain lack of the... emotional vocabulary and tools to notice these things and talk about them. Not to say MEN DON'T HAVE FEELINGS, but noticing that specific way of relating to fiction and pointing out its existence isn't something you can actually take for granted.

And then, in certain circles, there's maybe a desire to avoid even the appearance of suggesting that men have problems in culture that women don't. That it's unfeminist or at least in bad taste. Which is, straight up, the reason that I didn't frame my original statement around the fact that I'm a straight guy. It just seems a little gauche to talk about something that's an issue of female representation in terms of characters to get all hot and bothered about. I don't think it's actually wrong, as long as you're capable of maintaining the distinction between those two things and recognizing that representation as a social problem is approximately a million times more serious, but it's something that I do think about.

[hands4healing]

I hate that. My BFF is one of those people who doesn't understand why I whine when there aren't enough female characters in something I like.

[meishuu]

Eh, for me it's the other way around. I loathe genderswaping female characters, but male character actually get interesting when they become female characters.