[ SECRET POST #2787 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #2787 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.


__________________________________________________



02.


__________________________________________________



03.


__________________________________________________



04.


__________________________________________________



05.


__________________________________________________



06.


__________________________________________________



07.


__________________________________________________



08.


__________________________________________________



09.


__________________________________________________



10.


__________________________________________________



11.










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #398.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[darkmanifest]

Right, Anders did a happy dance when Fenris was sold back to a monster because Fenris was going to take Anders' freedom. Any minute now. Over the course of six years of knowing an abomination.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think the point is both of them would have been happy to have the other "enslaved" or worse. Anders isn't the one that sold Fenris out, by the way. Fenris would've gotten plus affection points if Hawke betrayed Anders, too.

[darkmanifest]

I agree, but the comment, to me, seemed phrased in a way to suggest that Fenris was ever a threat to Anders' freedom, and that's why Anders was happy. Anders was happy because he hated Fenris, no other reason, same as Fenris would be.

[threeeyedsloth]

It's also more hypocritical on Anders' part, because Anders' expressly feels like mages are slaves, which is wrong. That they suffer in their current conditions. So him turning a slave over to his master is hypocrisy of the highest order.

[darkmanifest]

I agree - Fenris is a hypocrite, but he never pretended to have a higher moral ground. He hates mages and elven slavery for personal reasons, not ethical ones. Anders makes passionate ethical arguments for freedom for all...except this one guy, this guy can go to hell.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not even a "this one guy" thing. Fenris is the only one whose enslavement he cheers on, but he expresses indifference towards elven slavery in general, and at one point gets pissy because the elves in the alienage (who are frequent prey for the slaving groups in the game even if we ignore the appalling conditions they're forced to live in) aren't racing to jump on his own personal bandwagon.

If you're a mage and you agree with his ethical position, Anders cares about your freedom. If you're anything but a mage, he gives zero fucks.

[darkmanifest]

If you're a mage and you agree with his ethical position, Anders cares about your freedom. If you're anything but a mage, he gives zero fucks.

Even if you are a mage and you disagree with his position, he doesn't care - for example, Merrill, and any other blood mage, as if he, the willing abomination, has any ground to stand on whatsoever. I feel bad for Anders because he's not the only being at the wheel of his body and mind anymore, but good lord.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree both with you and the above anon. Anything but a mage he gives zero fucks? This is a guy who runs a free clinic for refugees, remember?

[darkmanifest]

I have a theory that Anders doesn't start the game as cruel as he ends it, the guy who set up the free clinic in Act 1 is different from the guy who murders an innocent in Act 2 and still more different from the guy who starts a massacre in Act 3, as Vengeance gains more and more influence. Anders doesn't begin by not giving zero fucks about anyone who doesn't toe his personal line, he progresses to it. (This is also a possible non-mechanic explanation for why he does something so out of character as favoring Fenris being sold - it's a vengeful response that came from a specific source.)

[saku]

i said this downthread and ive mentioned it in past discussions on this but i'll say it again: fenris actually doesnt say or "approve" of anders being killed. not at all. he has no dialogue to share, no friendship points to give, nothing.

i really dont think either of them hated each other enough to personally wrong them in the sense that anders probably wouldnt consider contacting danarius (anders doesnt like blood mages anyway) and fenris wouldnt have anders made tranquil or taken to the circle or killed, what have you.

like i dont think the hate runs that deep. they clearly dont like each other; anders dislikes fenris enough to literally approve of fenris being enslaved again, which is out of character for him in my perspective. they dont get each other. they dont see the parallels in each others' struggles or understand that their cultures are different and that the oppressed and the oppressors and more or less switched in their histories.

but i just dont see them trying their hardest to fuck off the other one. even though anders approves of fenris going back to danarius, the friendship points that nets you is like, 5, iirc. which is the smallest approval increment. still shitty and out of character for him (to me at least) but nothing so big that it wouldnt indicate that anders was just DYING for the opportunity to see it happen. it was just an emotional consequence of him being there when/if it did. and even then, he doesnt gain rivalry with hawke if fenris is defended. tbh i just think that quest itself was a little poorly written in terms of approval.