[ SECRET POST #2788 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2788 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe in the main comic story it is a little weird but honestly? Webcomic readers are some of the most entitled people in the world. They are giving you content for free doing something they spend hours on in their "spare time" and people complain when there aren't updates or if a comic artist DARE put up a donation button (even if it's an optional donation button and doesn't effect the content AT ALL I've seen people complain.) A lot of webcomic artists I've known are not exactly rolling in cash so sometimes they need that money for them to be able to continue.

And I'm sorry, but the more you advertise that you are selling your work, the more it sells. I loathe advertising myself more then anything but there's always a result versus when I try to not advertise myself too much and sales start stagnating.

Artists deserve to make money just like someone of any other profession. Television has been putting advertisements in their shows for years, why not comics?

[blitzwing]

Artists deserve to make money just like someone of any other profession. Television has been putting advertisements in their shows for years, why not comics?

Honestly I think it's the way he's done it that grates. "Maybe" and "If it sells enough" when fans aren't told what "enough" is, and even if they hit that all they're guaranteed is a "maybe" that usually means "probably not" because if a project is neglected/an action untaken, it's usually because the creator didn't want to do it.

I've seen plenty of comics and subscription services say "If we reach X amount of monthly support each month, we can increase the amount of updates by Y amount per month, or release a bonus story" which is very concrete and lets people know the actual hard goal that must be hit, and gives them a concrete reward/product for doing so.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand if fans don't want to pay or are distrustful because a creator is unreliable, but honestly that's not even what I see half the time. Most of the time I see people bitching just because the comic artist dare even brings up the dirty word "money." The secret itself wasn't even specific in saying they don't like the "maybe" but that they dislike when artists "hold content hostage" which really could mean they get annoyed at any content under a pay barrier.

Like I've said, I've seen people get hate even when the content absolutely was not effected and the artist simply advertised for them self. Even if content is effected, no one owes someone anything if they aren't a paying member. Why I think fans are entitled is because there seems to be this consistent attitude of "How dare you do something with YOUR webcomic that *I* don't like even though I've never contributed anything and you are the one who does all the work and takes on all the costs it takes to produce."

I just don't understand why the creator is the asshole for trying to do what they need to do to keep creating because this is the real world and time can cost. I think it's way more of an asshole move to bitch about people who in reality owe you absolutely nothing.

[blitzwing]

I haven't seen any of the behavior you mention myself (except maybe with OotS, but that's maybe a wee bit different since a lot of it was Kickstarter-rewards bitching iirc), but I believe you, just based on my own experiences with hella entitled people on the internet. I could not believe anyone could be that entitled, but they were.


I just don't understand why the creator is the asshole for trying to do what they need to do to keep creating because this is the real world and time can cost.

This is where I think making a clear link between what the money does helps. There will always be some people (maybe they're really spoiled or have never had to work) who won't get it, but a lot of people who might have whined will see the benefits to more money to the artist when it's mentioned.

[(Anonymous)]

No no no. Web comic artists do not 'deserve' money. By suddenly switching from the story being free to requiring money is an asshole move. At least be upfront with your readers that that's what you're going to do. And don't expect readers to automatically be into your characters enough to buy membership. What people will read when it's free is not necessarily the same as when they have to pay.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not an asshole move if they started a comic for fun and then realize there's absolutely no way to continue it without receiving some sort of pay.

No one is forcing anyone to pay for these things, you don't think the comic is good enough to pay for it? Then don't pay for it. Webcomic artists do not owe you anything just because you read their comic. They only owe you something IF YOU PAY.

[blitzwing]

Not sure if serious...