[ SECRET POST #2790 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2790 ⌋

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Comments

[cabler]

The main and most important characteristic of a Mary Sue is that she is badly written. A character that is awesome at things and looks good is not a Mary Sue otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, yes, she's badly written--but she's badly written in a specific way: she's transparently a narcissistic wish-fulfillment of the author, who's in the story either to show other characters up, or to be an object of pity.

[cabler]

I meant that most people forget it, and focus too much about the "good at things", "looks good" and "has sad history" parts- a character can have all of these and still not be a Mary Sue, but the "badly written" part is what ties it all together.

[(Anonymous)]

For me, it boils down to how the other characters react to our potential M. Sue. Does it make sense, within the context of the book/show/whatever, for the other mains to react to the character in that way? There are some other issues too, like "does the character ever make mistakes, and if so, does the writer allow them to actually be mistakes," but that can be a little less cut and dry.

[(Anonymous)]

Does the character ever make mistakes, and if so, does the writer allow them to actually be mistakes?

AYRT

Agreed on that.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I mean, that's a bit tautological, isn't it? I mean, isn't anyone calling a character a Mary Sue necessarily and knowingly and intentionally criticizing the writing?

[cabler]

More often than not I feel like they're criticizing the character more than the creator.