[ SECRET POST #2795 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2795 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]


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[Fred Astaire/Ginger Rogers]


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[Jeeves and Wooster]


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[Yahtzee/Zero Punctuation]


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[Markiplier]


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[Jackie Chan Adventures]


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[The Parent Trap]


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[Alexander]


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[Starsky and Hutch]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The real Olympias was from Epirus, which is in modern day Albania. So I guess that's what she was going for!

[phorenice]

Blame Erich Kästner. It was his idea.

[nyxelestia]

It's not that I don't associate it with an ethnicity so much as I don't do it automatically. Sure, if we're talking about sickle-cell, then yeah, one of the first things I'll say about it is that it disproportionately affects black people. But this book? Not talking about sickle-cell - the disease is mentioned in passing. I was thinking of everything in relation to Shadow, so when I read that Shadow's mother had a debilitating disease, the thing I thought it about was how it would have impacted him as the main protagonist and POV character, not what the disease would have meant for/about his mother.

[nyxelestia]

Oh, no, I know that - it's just not the first thought that enters my mind when I hear about the disease in passing. As I mentioned above, if we're talking about sickle-cell, then definitely one of the first things I'll think about the disease itself is that most patients are of African descent - but in this context, I wasn't thinking about the disease on its own/for its own sake, but as a peripheral detail to something else entirely. I was reading everything in this book as it related to Shadow, so when I read that his mother had a debilitating disease, I was thinking about what it meant for him, not what it would have meant for/about his mother.

[(Anonymous)]

not sure if you'll be getting notifications on this, but this study (or one like it) exists, although i can't find it myself either. the one i read about didn't use voice recordings, though, just two people of different races raised in the same english-speaking locale lecturing the same class, and the students being asked to rate the lecturers on their english accents, where the students invariably marked the non-white lecturer as having a heavy accent :\

Re: Just finished watching The Celluloid Closet

[(Anonymous)]

great movie, the book is even better if you can find it.

[(Anonymous)]

You're trying to evade the fact that in order to assume he's NOT white, there are details and clues you're going to have to miss, ignore or willfully misinterpret.

Of course I don't necessarily think this is true, because I don't believe the response I was parroting is true, but I do think it is as true.

What detail have I missed, ignored or wilfully misinterpreted I the first chunk of the book?

[arcadiaego]

I was surprised by the question, and a little embarrassed for them, but at least them having the guts to submit it will mean some other readers will become aware of their own bias.

[arcadiaego]

Seriously, unambiguously white people do not get asked 'what are you then'. And on the rare occasions they do it would not be used in the opening of a book to describe the character and the character would not reply 'could be'.

[arcadiaego]

Really? Because The Hunger Games explicitly states that Rue is non-white, and yet many people were surprised when she was cast as such in the film.

[arcadiaego]

This thread just proves how far people will go to prove it's the writer's fault, and not their own internalised racism, despite the fact that someone replied to Gaiman's original answer saying they didn't realise Fat Charlie in Anansi Boys was black.

[arcadiaego]

I don't think they're any more sexist and homophobic than other films of the time, and less so in some ways. It was during a period where censors were quite strict, which had the unintented consequence of making people write stronger female characters, because the blokes couldn't just snog them and get it over with. Ginger's characters are usually pretty awesome and rather feminist. I assume your friend is referring to the effeminate male type that's in most of the films, which is kind of annoying, but then, works like The Celluloid Closet actually argue that that stock character was a way of having queer visibility when any other kind was impossible.

[(Anonymous)]

Shadow is such a bland, non-character. I don't think his ethnicity matters because not one single line in the story made me believe he was anything more than words on a page. I honestly pictured him as a literal shadow because nothing about him ever came to life or seemed real. He was just outrageously bland.

[(Anonymous)]

this exactly

[(Anonymous)]

he does have a very nice speaking voice. the sudden awful blaring music would make it tough to fall asleep to ZP videos, though.

[(Anonymous)]

If you're not American (especially if English is not your first language) you likely won't catch "spic", and "gypsy" to a European doesn't imply anything about skin colour. The line about "nigger blood" is more obvious though.

[(Anonymous)]

He's so dumpy and looks like an oaf.

[(Anonymous)]

I just immediately assumed he was Native American cos his name was "Shadow", but that might just be racism covered up by fortuitous guessing lol