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i don't understand it either. i mean i get the sentiment partially, in that not all "date rape" drugs are the same and some of them aren't detectable with nail polish or straw or cups or whatever, bc those things so far are only designed to detect the more common ones. so i could see complaints being valid IF people were concerned that women/people using the polish would assume a drink is safe solely because it passed the polish test

but the thing is i can't really see any person using the polish to not be aware of their surroundings, so i don't see where anybody is getting the idea that the polish is going to hurt anybody (except maybe rapists).

generally when stuff like this is made and promoted, people kick up a fuss because they don't think it's the responsibility for potential survivors to take care of themselves, but i don't think people making this complain fully realise that if we aren't teaching men not to rape, then the least we can do is protect survivors. and even if we WERE teaching against rape, it would still happen, even at smaller rates; taking precautions to protect yourself from bad people who are going to be bad regardless is not "victim blaming" imo

i get the frustration with a lack of education that would reduce incidents of rape, i really think it's important to teach guys not to rape. otherwise failed attempts may increase but attempts in general wont, so whats the point. but we can both educate and protect at the same time. as long as people dont act like "well you could have taken precautions and you didnt, so you must have been okay with it" then there's nothing wrong with using technology like this as a protective measure in the meantime.

I think a central problem with the education approach is that admitted rapists when interviewed know all that stuff, they just don't care. They're just playing the "I didn't know, it was ambiguous" card to manipulate the legal process. And guys who are using roofies, or targeting the drunkest woman in the room totally know.

i think a key part in changing that to the point where rape becomes minimal is educating people early. if men (as a general collective) have it so ingrained in them that rape is normal or worth the consequences then it's important to change that specifically. rape is still going to happen, just like, say, infanticide happens despite it being incredibly taboo in this culture. that's the consequence of free will. but raising people a certain way can impact the amount of people who choose to rape. there's little we can do to prevent certain people from committing crimes, regardless of the nature of the crime, but we know that culture and how we raise our kids affects crime rates, even for premeditated crimes. i don't see how rape would be an exception, you know?

True. I'm just unconvinced that no-means-no campaigns targeted to adults are going to change the behavior of rapists.

yeah, i agree there. as much as i like the thought behind seeing buttons and stickers and stuff with the "yes means yes" sentiment on them, i don't think at that point anybody who is calculating the act of rape is going to change their mind as a result. and since those people are gonna be alive for quite some time, the next best thing - not the supreme best, but the next best thing - is to encourage potential survivors to take smart precautions. i think that's something some folks aren't quite understanding about it.

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