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Some guys create a nail polish that will change color in the presence of date rape drugs. This is an invention that can literally save lives.

Tumblr's response? HOW FUCKING DARE THESE MEN! THEY ARE TRYING TO GET MORE WOMEN RAPED! THIS WILL ONLY CONTRIBUTE TO RAPE CULTURE! THIS IS TERRIBLE AND THEY SHOULD FEEL TERRIBLE.

Like....what the fuck. Are they mad because these are people actually making a difference in the world instead of "changing the world" by writing a post about oppressed they are.

Story: http://www.news.com.au/technology/science/undercover-colors-invent-nail-polish-which-can-detect-presence-of-date-rape-drugs/story-fn5fsgyc-1227037027903

Do you have a source for the part about what tumblr is doing

Here's a "professional article" : http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/26/anti-rape-nail-polish-stop-rapists

*bangs head against wall* Sometimes I think people like that WANT women to be victims so that they can complain about it (and not actually do anything to equip women with stuff to protect themselves).

God. Stopping rape isn't going to happen. Ever. There are going to be guys who think women can't say no, and are going to keep doing shit like that anyway. This nail polish idea is awesome.

not op but if you google nail polish backlash you should get some results (I remember one on BBC)

I understand the frustration with that many fixes for rape prevention focus on the to-be victim to take preventive measures rather than putting the focus on the perpetrator, but I don't see any bad in this project.

See, the thing is when people say the "Teach men not to rape" bullshit, that would not even apply to people using date rape drugs. "Teach men not to rape," is about teaching men about what is consent or not.

If someone is using date rape drugs they KNOW they are doing something illegal. This isn't like, "Well she was blackout drunk but still walking/talking so I did not know it was rape."

This is someone buying ILLEGAL drugs and sneaking them into your drink. Do people actually think you can tell someone like that "Just don't rape," and they will listen? That would be like going up to Jeffry Dahmer and being like, "Hey. Don't murder and eat people. That is bad."

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yeah i'm the same way. i think the focus should be on teaching people not to rape, and further stigmatising it in our culture. i don't think this is the current focus at all. it's always about ways to prevent rape, like taking a buddy with you, watching your drink, etc. and those are good rules in general but they don't tackle the root of the problem so they don't actually reduce rape attempts. but i don't see the bad in this project either. just because some guys made a nail polish doesn't mean their efforts are diminishing those that go toward dismantling rape normalcy.

Speaking in a more reasonable way, I'm pretty sure that the actual effectiveness of the nail polish has already been questioned. So it might not work anyway. But the thought behind it is really good, and I don't get the people that seem pissed at its existence.

A-HA! I knew there was something I meant to post about but couldn't remember what.

The bulk of response I saw on a Facebook post was divided between people praising it and the certainly more vocal, if not the actual majority of, people screaming "OR WE COULD TEACH MEN NOT TO RAPE!!!!"

And yeah, that's absolutely what we want to do, but oh my god, people. We can teach "no means no" and "yes means yes" "shitfaced isn't an excuse for you nor permission from them" until the end of the earth, but at the end of the day, we can't control the actions of other (free) people. And not everybody's a good person. Maybe it's because they're ill. Maybe it's because they really weren't taught. Maybe it's because they just don't care. But anything that helps prevent rape, from either end, is a good thing in my book, and should be praised.

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i think it's ingrained in our culture to accept rape as a common thing, but we definitely can do something about it, it would just take generations of education and cultural reworking and i don't see that happening at an ideal pace. and even then, yeah, rapists would exist. so while we have tons of progress to make, i think technology like this polish is part of that progress. BECAUSE rape will always exist, it's worth it to protect yourself.

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My corner of Tumblr has been reblogging it and being disappointed that's it's still in development and a long way from being commercial.

yeah like tbh i havent see anybody complaining about it being unnecessary or harmful either

i don't understand it either. i mean i get the sentiment partially, in that not all "date rape" drugs are the same and some of them aren't detectable with nail polish or straw or cups or whatever, bc those things so far are only designed to detect the more common ones. so i could see complaints being valid IF people were concerned that women/people using the polish would assume a drink is safe solely because it passed the polish test

but the thing is i can't really see any person using the polish to not be aware of their surroundings, so i don't see where anybody is getting the idea that the polish is going to hurt anybody (except maybe rapists).

generally when stuff like this is made and promoted, people kick up a fuss because they don't think it's the responsibility for potential survivors to take care of themselves, but i don't think people making this complain fully realise that if we aren't teaching men not to rape, then the least we can do is protect survivors. and even if we WERE teaching against rape, it would still happen, even at smaller rates; taking precautions to protect yourself from bad people who are going to be bad regardless is not "victim blaming" imo

i get the frustration with a lack of education that would reduce incidents of rape, i really think it's important to teach guys not to rape. otherwise failed attempts may increase but attempts in general wont, so whats the point. but we can both educate and protect at the same time. as long as people dont act like "well you could have taken precautions and you didnt, so you must have been okay with it" then there's nothing wrong with using technology like this as a protective measure in the meantime.

I think a central problem with the education approach is that admitted rapists when interviewed know all that stuff, they just don't care. They're just playing the "I didn't know, it was ambiguous" card to manipulate the legal process. And guys who are using roofies, or targeting the drunkest woman in the room totally know.

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Who's "Tumblr"?

Tumblr SJWs are mad because men thought of it before women, or the fact that men created this and are trying to help women are proving their belief that all men are evil is wrong.

My favorite backlash was "But men aren't going to wear the nail polish?? How will a man not get raped?"

The main reason I heard was that most rapes aren't committed by some stranger in a bar slipping something into your drink, but by someone you probably trust to make you a drink, and that touting this as some end-all of rape wasn't a good idea.

I see their point, but I still think it's a good idea, especially in settings like college parties.

no. That is NOT a point at all. I saw someone says that too. That only 3% of rapes are from slipping something in your drink. SO WHAT? Even if it only helped .000001% of people, that is better than not trying at all.

I would assume that's the point, actually. I mean, quite frankly, where else would you be able to "discreetly stir your drink with your finger? I'm about to go to university and I wouldn't mind having something like that - and I say this as a very firm believer in the concept of rape-culture and victim-blaming culture.

Especially since there is a good chance that if/when I do this, I'll know who made the drink for me - which means if I might be in a position to have them in some way disciplined or prosecuted for attempted drugging alone. Unlikely, but still possible.

Dumb people think dumb things.

I don't see it as harmful in any way, but it does strike me as a bit silly that anybody's like omg so amazing over it. Making sure everything you drink when you're at a bar or party comes in a bottle or can that you opened yourself and you get gets the same results with less hassle. Men and women alike should get into the habit of that because anybody can spit in your drink for laughs. It's a cute invention, but seems pretty pointless to me.

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