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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-09-07 04:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #2805 ]


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Okay, I'm confused

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
What the fuck did Israel do?

SA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
To clarify, this isn't me supporting it, this is me not knowing what there is to support or not. It's a country. What's it doing?

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
This time, or do you want the full list?

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Give me the full list. I live in a highly Jewish community and all I ever hear is about them being attacked for no reason. I want a less biased version of current events, thanks.

Re: Okay, I'm confused

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
TL;DR They are doing to the Palestinians what the Germans did to the Jews in the 1930s, including making good on the threat that if one Israeli guy dies then then Palestinian children will be executed in revenge.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Not even close.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Lol good one

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
Jesus Christ.

You are literally too stupid and racist to live. PLEASE educate yourself.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 06:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, what an utter pile of flaming bullshit.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

Don't laugh, but- the biggest, most comprehensive, and least biased source I've ever read on the subject was TV Tropes.

Really.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/ArabIsraeliConflict

Re: Okay, I'm confused

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I can believe it. The OTC threads are full of bias, but it's all sides bias so when you put it all together you get a reasonably unbiased report. If that makes any sense.

Re: Okay, I'm confused

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
"I live in a community with a pro-Jewish bias. I want to hear commentary from people with an anti-Jewish bias instead!"
(reply from suspended user)

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously, do you live under a rock in a country where google is banned?
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[personal profile] elephantinegrace 2014-09-07 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
The internet is a great source of both accurate, inaccurate, and biased information.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

Whereas FS is the ideal place for objective facts? ;) Seriously, people have to learn how to Google their questions and then figure out the credibility of what they find. It's a life skill.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
They responded to Palestine's attacks

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Those children at beaches and playgrounds and UN schools and hospitals and ambulances had it coming.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
In the current situation: Israel arguably overreacted to situations leading to the present crisis. Before the crisis, things were relatively peaceful with almost no rocket attacks, until a renegade Hamas subgroup / organized crime family kidnapped the Israeli teens and then it got turned into a more general thing against Hamas and Palestine, with escalations on both sides. In the present crisis, they've targeted their attacks indiscriminately, leading to large civilian deaths and a general humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with no regard for conditions there.

Outside of the present crisis, but recently - a few things that come to mind are their policies that have stifled development in Palestine, their refusal to engage with Hamas as a political party, and the persistent encroachment of settlers onto Palestinian land.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
In the present crisis, they've targeted their attacks indiscriminately, leading to large civilian deaths and a general humanitarian crisis in Gaza, with no regard for conditions there.

This is almost all factually incorrect.

Israeli attacks have been the exact opposite of indiscriminate. They're very targeted, for specific reasons (to destroy rocket launching sites, for the most part).

There have been large civilian casualties, but that is mostly because Hamas would command their people to stay put despite warnings (who else tells people when and where they will attack?). There is always somewhere to go, but it's not clear whether Hamas gives their people any choice in the matter. Because they want them to die, so the numbers look awful and everyone says things like Israel kills children indiscriminately, those monsters. But the fact is Israel goes far out of its way to prevent civilian deaths. I don't think any army on earth shows such restraint and respect for a populace whose leaders are hellbent on their destruction.

And the Israeli population has PLENTY of regard for the conditions there. Israelis, by and large, are extremely saddened by the death of children especially. All children. And where do you think most of the aid comes from? When Hamas lets it in.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
DA

I will preface this by saying I saw a lot of reporting from conservative, pro-Israel news channels, so maybe I missed something

But they targeted schools, hospitals, media stations. I heard nothing about the media and hospital having rocket launchers - only the school reportedly (by Israel, Palestinians said otherwise) had rockets. Hospitals and schools are not legitimate targets. Especially when one side's firepower and defenses greatly outweigh the other's.

The UN run schools and shelters were hit - reportedly for rocket storage. Israel *knew* where the Un schools/shelters were, they were told over and over again. If they truly believed that there were rockets there, then they should have gone through the UN. Israel also blatantly fucking lied about one bombing where it said first that it was from a Hamas rocket that backfired and then said it was a mortar that landed in an empty courtyard, which is bullshit because if it was an empty courtyard, how did those people die? And how come journalists on the ground reported that it clearly looked like it had been hit by a bomb?

And they did flee! They fled to UNITED NATIONS SHELTERS/CAMPS AND THOSE WERE HIT TOO.

Considering the vast number of deaths in this conflict are of civilian Palestinians, I'm not so sure that Israel goes "far out of its way" to prevent it.

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Basically a bunch of people with no homes who go on and invade other people's places and be all like 'HEY GET OUT OF THIS PLACE, IT'S NOW MINE, DON'T TALK OR DO ANYTHING OR ELSE I'LL KILL YOU. WAIT NO HEY, I'LL JUST KILL YOU ANYWAY OK LOL VICTORY TO ME HAHAHAA'

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
good goyim
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Re: Okay, I'm confused

[personal profile] i_paint_the_sky 2014-09-08 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
This video has a pretty good look at events by Dennis Prager: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EDW88CBo-8

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you fucking serious.