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philstar22: (Neville)

[personal profile] philstar22 2014-09-07 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay, so those both look like red hair to me. Is one supposed to be Snape/Ginny? Because they both look like Snape/Lily to me.
philstar22: (Neville)

[personal profile] philstar22 2014-09-07 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Also, the Snape defense in this thread is annoying me. Snape may have ended up on the right side of the war and done some good things. But that doesn't change that he was an adult who bullied children (not just Harry, but Neville and Hermione and all the other Gryffindors). It doesn't change that he was obsessed with Lily in an unhealthy way to the point that he wanted her husband and son to die. It doesn't change the fact that he hated a child for what his father did.

Yes, Harry said hew as brave in the end. Brave doesn't necessarily = good. And also, I wonder what Neville would have to say about Snape. Also, Harry is quick to forgive.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I always wondered what Neville's reaction was when Harry named his son after Snape. It makes me laugh
philstar22: (Neville)

[personal profile] philstar22 2014-09-07 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd really like to know. Because even if Harry got past being bullied, it was really disrespectful towards his friends. I'd like to know what Hermione thinks too.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Given that Snape saved Neville's life when he was headmaster...
philstar22: (Neville)

[personal profile] philstar22 2014-09-07 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
One good act does not make up for the many bad acts he took. He bullied Neville so much that in the third book he was Neville's biggest fear even though Neville's parents had been tortured by death eaters.

I honestly don't get why people think Snape's few good acts or the fact that he was bullied as a child excuse all his bad ones. he was an adult. A Teacher. An authority figure. And he bullied children. That is a big deal.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:17 pm (UTC)(link)
But...but...he was played by Alan Rickman!!

(Seriously, though, I agree with you.)

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
And I don't get why people view vice versa, that Snape's actions at the end mean nothing, or why they feel the need to underplay or distort them.
philstar22: (Neville)

[personal profile] philstar22 2014-09-07 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
They don't mean nothing, they just don't make up for being a bully. Especially since he never actually apologized or regretted any of it. And considering he himself was bullied as a child, the fact that he thinks it's okay to bully children is even more disturbing.

Also, his actions at the end were always marred by the fact that he wasn't doing them for completely the right reasons. Because he was doing them in large part for the same unhealthy obsession with Lily that led him to want her husband and son dead.

DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:59 pm (UTC)(link)
They don't mean nothing, they just don't make up for being a bully.

Then why isn't the same applied to James? I mean, the dude almost got Snape killed just because he didn't like him. Why is that so much less of a sin than Snape's not caring if James is killed? I'd consider that "eye for an eye". Yes, it makes the whole world go blind, but one's not better than the other.

James died protecting Harry. Snape died protecting the whole freaking Wizarding World NOT in league with Voldemort. The same kids he bullied. Would James have protected Snape? I don't think so.

That's where I'm coming from, at least. Yes, Snape is a petty git, but James was pretty petty, too.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
New anon to this thread - you make a good point with "Then why isn't the same applied to James?"

One of the possible reasons I can think of is that people are identifying too closely with incidents in their own lives, and James and/or Snape are proxies. It just seems that these arguments get really heated, all out of proportion to the actual discussion.
philstar22: (Neville)

Re: DA

[personal profile] philstar22 2014-09-08 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
For me the difference is that James was a child. And he grew out of it. Whether or not we were shown that is a matter of opinion, but we do know that he defied Voldemort 3 times.

Snape, on the other hand, was an adult bullying children. And he never actually apologized or seemed to regret his actions (maybe, possibly towards Harry, but certainly not towards anyone else). He was doing the good things, and really only half for good reasons, at the same time he was bullying children.

So they aren't the same thing in my mind. And I can forgive what a teenager does far more than I can forgive an adult doing the same thing, especially an adult who had experienced bullying and knew its effect on children.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
No, Sirius almost got Snape killed just because he didn't like him. James is the one who saved Snape's life when he figured out what Sirius was up to.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
James was a bully as a teenager, to another teenager. Snape was a bully as an adult (bad enough) to kids/teenagers. Biiiiig difference.

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
"Why isn't the same applied to James?"

Maybe because James died at twenty-one trying to protect his wife and son, and didn't have the same track record as Snape did of horrible behaviour toward small children he had power over? James was an asshole as a teen, got over it, and died when he was barely an adult. Snape had another seventeen years of cruelty and bullying under his belt.
cushlamochree: o malley color (Default)

Re: DA

[personal profile] cushlamochree 2014-09-08 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
lol

the two did some pretty similar shit and were extremely petty as teenagers, and if that's all that we knew of them, you'd have a really good point, but Snape's final sacrifice doesn't make up for the other times he was a massive dick and didn't need to be

Re: DA

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
Because it wasn't James who nearly got Snape killed - it was Sirius. We're told James rescued Snape at great personal risk.

So yes, James protecting Snape is totally viable because he's done it before.
blitzwing: ([magi] Jafar)

[personal profile] blitzwing 2014-09-08 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
It's a name dude. There are (probably) other people with that name in the wizarding world. Even so, I'm sure Neville (and any other friend) would realize that Harry viewed Snape in a different matter and had a different view of him due to their experiences together.

"A girl named Diana bullied you back in school? Welp, better not name my kid Diana out of respect for your...weird hang-up toward anyone named Diana now, sure."

Seriously. It's a name.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
what? that example doesn't even make sense. he named him specifically for that Snape, it wasn't that he just liked the name. your example would make more sense if it was "Remember that authoritative figure (the fact that Snape is a teacher is kind of a big deal in this case) named Diana who mercilessly bullied you, and to a lesser extent me and many other children, and made everyone miserable? Well I think she's super keen and I'm going to name my kid after her". I mean, the person still doesn't have a right to tell you not to do it, but I couldn't blame someone if they side-eyed you for it

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
This is probably my favorite crack-fic that explains why Harry would name his kid after Snape in the first place: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4396574/1/The-Wendell-That-Wasn-t

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm fond of that piece of Tumblr crack where he and Harry are in a bullshitting competition about which one of them can show their 'admiration' for Snape more, with Harry calling him up after naming Albus Severus and just going 'your move, try and top that'.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-08 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
This might be the first tumblr post I've ever seen that makes me wish I had a tumblr so I could reblog it.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
*yawn*

(Anonymous) 2014-09-07 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
We've got it, you have a huge hate-on for Snape. Get over it.
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