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I just don't understand the pro-lifer mentality. A third-trimester fetus I can understand wanting to protect since some have survived outside the womb as young as 22 weeks. But before that? If you want an abortion, have at it.

As far as I've read on the scientific literature, a pre-22 week-old fetus can't even feel pain, let alone emotion, at that stage of development. I'd feel worse about killing a cow for food. And if you asked me to choose whether my dog gets shot or having a pre-20 week abortion, I'd choose the abortion every time.

I mean, it's human, but it's not a person to me. Sure it's got a heart, a liver, and a developing brain, but that doesn't make it a person and I think it's silly to say so. When I think about the fact that, in an embryo, you can remove one of the cells for testing and it will develop just fine, I think it's silly to equate that to a person.

I also think that the issue of bodily autonomy is VERY important. You can't take the organs of a CORPSE to save another person's life. So how in the HELL can you justify forcing a living, breathing woman to give her body's resources, have permeant changes, risk her health/life for over nine months, for an organism that can't even feel pain, let alone emotion or thought? Seriously, people talk about the RIGHT TO LIFE, but I don't see anyone FORCING organ donation to save the lives of others. And these are corpses, for fuck's sake. Why, then, should a living, breathing woman have to endure nine months of subjugation?

And you might say that "she knew she could get pregnant when she had sex" but that's bullshit. Everyone knows every time they get behind the wheel of a car that they could get in an accident. But even so, even if you get in an accident and another person is hurt, NO ONE has the right to force you to donate blood or tissue or organs to the hurt individual. Even if the accident is 100% your fault. And this is another human being that can feel love, fear, helplessness -- that has a will and sentience. And yet we STILL don't force people to donate their blood/organs to save that person's life even if the accident is their fault.

It's why I think the pro-life position is such utter bullshit.

I'm pro-life and my reasons for that are far more personal than philosophical. When my mother was pregnant with my youngest sister, her doctor advised her to have an abortion because the pregnancy was high risk. My mother went through with the pregnancy and gave birth to my sister despite the risks. So, for me, I can't see it as the abortion of a fetus, I think of it in terms of the person my sister is because my mother have birth to her and that, in many cases, aborted fetuses would be born and grow into individuals themselves. This is long winded but that's my reason for believing that abortion should be avoided if possible.

And guess what? Your mom had the CHOICE. And that's awesome.

Want to hear another story? My mom, several weeks before she got pregnant with me, had an extrauterine pregnancy and almost DIED. She also got pregnant in her 40s (after being told she couldn't have children) and had to seriously consider abortion if my brother had abnormalities. Why? Because she knew that she wouldn't be around forever and that she would be leaving him as a burden on her already born to children. And she didn't want to do that. Fortunately, nothing showed up in my brother's screen and he's healthy and happy.

But you know what both of our mom's had? They had a choice.

If organ donation was FORCED then a lot of people who died would live. And the only things affected would be corpses. But we don't force it. We don't even force blood donation. Which isn't even 1/10000 the commitment abortion is. And these are LIVES that could be saved of thinking, feeling human beings. Not "potential" people that can't even feel pain.

That's why the pro-life position is BS.

I'm not saying that I'm against abortion when it's the only choice, I just think that people oversimplify things when they act like a fetus is a clump of cells and that's all. There's more to it than that.

Except it isn't. A fetus is a clump of cells. I'm a clump of cells too. But I can think and feel. A cow can feel. A fetus can't do either before 20 weeks. Just because it has human DNA doesn't mean I'm going to treat is as special. A tumor has human DNA as well. So do sperm and eggs. That it will develop into a person is irrelevant to me. Everyone will eventually die too. But we judge people by what they ARE rather than what they WILL become (and there's still a chance a fetus might not make it anyway).

All right. You're unconvinced by my way of thought. I'm not convinced by your "clump of cells" thought process. Since we're not about to agree, I suppose we should just agree to disagree and call it a day.

Cool.

I'm not convinced of your way of thought because it's just an opinion.

Note that all I did was list facts:

Fact one: All organisms are composed of clumps of cells
Fact two: I, as a human being, can think and feel
Fact three: A cow can feel
Fact four: A pre-20 week old fetus can neither think nor feel

Fact five: We'll all be dead one day, but the fact that we're all "potential" corpses is the basis for exactly zero of our behavior towards each other
Fact six: A fetus MAY be born, but unlike death, it's not a 100% certainty.

LOL. All right.

Well, if you want to tell me which of my statements was factually incorrect, I'd be happy to hear it!

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