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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-09-16 07:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #2814 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2814 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-09-16 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
It's supposed to be empowering to women? Really? How so? (not in a flippant way; I'm genuinely curious about this mindset)

(Anonymous) 2014-09-16 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
It gives women a place to explore their sexuality through male characters, because two men would be seen as equal to each other in society. It's kind of a fantasy about being equals in a relationship.

...Plus, women think men having sex is hot, but that's considered weird in society, unlike men who enjoy lesbian porn. Fandom gives women a place to get their kicks in an environment full of other women enjoying the same thing.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-16 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I gotta say, in all the slash that I've written (not that it's a lot, but definitely more than a few), I have never thought any of this.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-16 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
DA

Me neither. Though I definitely get off on the power play of two guys being physically equal to each other. There's some kind of edginess there that's exciting.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-17 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
I always saw this as weak justification for fetishizing homosexual relationships. It usually comes hand-in-hand with "turning the tables on men objectifying women!" without acknowledging that the men who objectify women are not the same men who are having their sexuality turned into wank material.

Signed,
Someone who has seen way to many gay men cornered by yaoi fangirls who pestered him for explicit details about his sex life and top/bottom dynamics because that's all he was to her.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-17 03:38 am (UTC)(link)
Fetishizing fictional gay sex is definitely not the same thing as being stupid enough to fetishize real people and say so to their faces oh my god why does certain parts of fandom keep making me and my awkwardness seem like the most well-adjusted thing in the world.

(Anonymous) 2014-09-17 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you underestimate just how stigmatized women liking porn has traditionally been. There's a reason slash fandom spent its first 30 years in places nobody could find by accident. http://fanlore.org/wiki/Purple_Pages

(Anonymous) 2014-09-17 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
nah, that's the same old mantra that some guy back in japan came up with trying to explain Boylove.
There might be quite a lot of girls for whom it's kind of true, there also might be a sort of fear of penetration where their own sexual organs are concerned, (which is why some drift away from slash after having real sexual encounters themselves), but that's just a part of the spectrum. WIth Men it's the same. We all like what we like for different reasons.

I, for instance, never, ever liked slash between "equals" (and considering how much seme/uke stuff is out there, I guess most people don't)

(Anonymous) 2014-09-16 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
As someone with no personal interest in slash I've heard it said that it's empowering because it's putting male characters in the hands of women writers. Which...I kind of get?

But personally I think it's a way of slash writers who are otherwise a little embarrassed about what they do with their free time justifying their hobby by giving it a feminist angle. Which is sad for two reasons: a) people should be able to enjoy what they want without needing reasons for it, and b) female characters aren't exactly treated nicely in a lot of slash fandoms, which kind of deflates the whole feminist argument.

But like I said, I'm just an outsider looking in, so don't consider this any sort of expert opinion.