[ SECRET POST #2815 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2815 ⌋

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[John Green]


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(Hemlock Grove)


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[Russell Edwards' Naming Jack the Ripper]


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[Coronation Street]
















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Comments

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[(Anonymous)]

Except they are entitled to money. Maybe not a lot of money, and you certainly don't have to commission them again if you hated what you got, but you owe them for their time.

Your boss can't not pay you at the end of the day just because he decides he didn't like the work you did today. Everyone gets paid for their time.

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[diet_poison]

I'm curious how the artist is supposed to prove how much time they spent on a piece. People on this thread are going on about "but how can you prove that it's subpar? Anyone can just say they hate it!" but everyone also seems to take for granted that the artist will be 100% honest about the time they spent. The latter is actually harder to prove than the former.

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[(Anonymous)]

Regular freelance jobs often have time sheets. Otherwise it's up to the artist to keep track.

Yes you can't always know that the artist is 100% honest, but artists have been ripped off by commissioners before as well (I've had friends never get paid) so it's just kind of a general risk.

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[kallanda_lee]

No, not necessarily. For my freelance stuff, I much more often get paid per assignment than per hour. Granted, it's not painting, but it's relatively common where I live to do freelance that way in the creative sector. Sometimes it's up to me to estimate how much time it will take. Sometimes there's a time limit (.i.e. this will take a maximum of 4 hours of your life). I have assignments that are more profitable than others because of that, but you live and learn.

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry if I wasn't clear, but that's what I meant by "it's up to the artist to keep track." I also work with per project quotes, but that means I have to estimate how many hours I can spend on a project while still keeping my head above water, but I have to give the client one price regardless of how long it takes me.

Some jobs will give you time sheets, but some will be vague and you just have to get it done in the time that makes sense with the budget.

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[kallanda_lee]

Sorry for the misunderstanding then!

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[diet_poison]

Well, it's definitely a risk on both sides. Sometimes the commissioners get ripped off or flaked out on.

I think it's fair to pay for the final product and for the artist to specify "this is what you will get for that rate" at the beginning. Paying by the hour isn't really fair if there is NO WAY to prove how many hours one is working. It depends 100% on the honesty of the artist and 0% on the honesty of the commissioner, and puts the latter party at a much, much bigger risk than the former.

Re: Things you should know about commissioning

[(Anonymous)]

I said it upthread, and I'll say it here again: it is absolutely not true that everyone gets paid for their time. People who work on commission only get paid when they produce; if they don't make any sales during a given day, then they don't get paid, regardless how much time and effort they put in.