[ SECRET POST #2820 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2820 ⌋

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Comments

[kaijinscendre]

Steve McQueen said Ford was the worst? What???? How did he come to that conclusion?

[(Anonymous)]

Because he knew it was wrong but still did it.

[kaijinscendre]

As opposed to the guy who raped and terrorized people?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't agree with him, just stating his views.

[kaijinscendre]

I didn't mean to insinuate that you did, I was reacting to the rationalization.

[(Anonymous)]

Oops sorry for misunderstanding you.

[(Anonymous)]

because the guy who raped and terrorized people was clearly a psychopath and the "nice" guy who knew better still participated in and profited from slavery? yeah, the fassy character was worse, but he never fancied himself a good guy.

[kaijinscendre]

Yes he did. Fassbender's character thought what he was doing was justified because of his religion*. He didn't think what he was doing was evil because to him black slaves are not people and what he was doing was approved by God.



*Of course I have not seen the movie in a while, so perhaps I am confusing two characters

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - I just watched the film this weekend, and you are correct. Epps (Fassbender's character) repeatedly justified himself and his brutality with religious 'reasons'.

I think that Ford was actually a minister, and Epps was just a bible-thumping jerkwad.

[(Anonymous)]

Something about how Ford sympathized with slaves and more importantly viewed them as people, yet still took part in the business. It is horrifically detestable, so I can see where McQueen was coming from.

[kaijinscendre]

I can see where he -might- see that from a POV so far removed from slavery. But when choosing between who is worst, I am going to go with the person who rapes and tortures people.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see where he -might- see that from a POV so far removed from slavery.

It's not that far removed at all - http://cwmemory.com/2014/01/28/william-prince-ford-stonewall-jackson-black-mans-friend/

"We need to stop trying to understand the history of slavery in this country by imagining who we wouldn’t mind being enslaved to."

QFT

[kaijinscendre]

But this isn't trying to understand the history of slavery. It is more, "Of these two, which is a worse person." Philosophically Ford could be considered worse. Realistically (to me) Fassbender's character was worse.

[chardmonster]

Understanding the history doesn't mean becoming magical objective robots without opinions about that history.

[(Anonymous)]

(this is the anon you originally replied to :])
I was actually about to reply that the perspective hinges upon looking at their actions abstractly or realistically and that we can only really get the context of McQueen's statement with the hindsight afforded to us, but you obviously get that! But I would still say both perspectives are valid, even as removed as one of them might be from the realities of the situation. I myself don't necessarily agree with McQueen, but he does raise a point that is worth dissecting.

[kaijinscendre]

I was trying to find the context of the comment in question but can't seem to. :C

[(Anonymous)]

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If you mean where McQueen actually said that Ford was the worst, I've been looking too! I know I've seen or heard it somewhere, but I can't remember if it was first hand or off tvtropes or the like (the most reliable of sources, I know).

[(Anonymous)]

http://www.vogue.com/872847/movie-film-12-things-you-should-know-about-12-years-a-slave/

Ejiofor thought it at least if McQueen didn't.

[evewithanapple]

I haven't read the interview in question, but I'd imagine it's something to do with Ford believing himself to be in the right while still owning slaves and profiting from slave labour.