ext_33427 ([identity profile] degrees.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2007-12-14 04:45 pm

[ SECRET POST #343 ]


⌈ Secret Post #343 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

If I may direct your attention to this poll HERE

EDIT: I removed a few secrets because it was just brought to my attention (I have a crappy memory) that people are being banned for being flagged for this kind of stuff. SORRY. D:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #049.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom [ 1 ] secret revisted/link to fanfiction.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Saturday, December 15th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here CLOSED.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: 14

(Anonymous) 2007-12-16 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
"Then gender identity comes down to whether or not one has a dick..."

No. There is more to gender identity than being able to act in stereotypically masculine or feminine ways; there is more to gender identity than the physical gender of one's body; there is more to gender identity than the way society perceives a person based on their gender. There is more to gender identity than being male or female. The fact that you continue to insist on simplifying the issue is mildly insulting (only mildly, because I'm assuming you aren't a troll).

Despite the fact that gender roles are less restrictive in modern society than they have been in the past, they are still very clearly defined- so, no, a woman can not act the same way a man does, not without having to justify herself first. And no, a man can't put on dresses and prance around baking pies, not in public, not without facing serious ramifications and potential bodily injury. You may not care if a woman wants to drive fast cars or shoot deer, but society does.

Yes, it would be nice if we could abolish gender roles and and redefine gender as something other than the very limiting binary that it is most frequently defined as today. But barring a sudden, world-wide paradigm shift or another hundred years of civil rights movements, that isn't going to happen on any large scale any time soon.

(Long parenthetical alert! Comparing transgenderism with anorexia, and equating anorexia with breast implants, only works insofar as all three situations imply some level of body dysmorphia. Anorexia is an obsessive-compulsive disease that only ends when a person dies, or seeks treatment. Transgenderism doesn't lead a person to compulsively self-harm, and it has a "stopping point," so to speak: a person can reach their desired gender. It can be difficult, but it can be done; an anorexic, on the other hand, can never reach their "ideal" weight. As for breast implants- women have myriad reasons for getting them, and yeah, some reasons are better than others, but plastic surgery isn't inherently crazy. It may be indicative of a lot of what is wrong with society and modern standards of beauty, but that's a rant for a whole 'nother parenthetical.)

I would suggest, as others have, that you do some actual research into gender identity and transexualism, as it's very clear that you have done little to no research in this area. (If you had, for instance, you would know that it is possible, through surgery and hormone therapy, for FTM transexuals to have working male genitalia; FTMguide.org (http://www.ftmguide.org/) has some of the technical details, if you're curious.) It would be more useful to you than waiting for someone on this community to answer your questions, and would be infinitely less frustrating to those of us who are assuming the length of your comments mean you do actually want to learn about this. Wiki "gender identity disorder" to start, followed by "transgender." Livejournal also has numerous transgender communities that should be full of information.

When you're done with that, and you're still having trouble understanding why people will go to such lengths to eliminate dischord between their physical selves and their mental perceptions of theirselves, you might find body modification a somewhat enlightening direction of study- or potentially incredibly squicky, so I offer that suggestion with a huge caveat. Body dysmorphic disorder would be another topic to look into, though I haven't been able to find much on teh internets that is terribly useful in that area.

I honestly find your obstinate confusion completely baffling, so I apologize if this response is less than helpful to you. But if you're seriously looking for information on gender identity and trans issues, fandomsecrets really isn't the best place to start.

Re: 14

[identity profile] sabbato.livejournal.com 2007-12-16 07:25 am (UTC)(link)
I think I love you, Anonymous.

Re: 14

(Anonymous) 2007-12-16 09:32 am (UTC)(link)
^_^

Re: 14

[identity profile] sabbato.livejournal.com 2007-12-16 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
For you. Anonymous.

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Re: 14

(Anonymous) 2007-12-17 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

And I personally don't get the Western obsession with the body as sanctuary either. I think the essential self is in the MIND.