[ SECRET POST #2825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2825 ⌋

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Comments

[chardmonster]

I think people really don't understand that Disney is catering to a global audience.

People complain that Tiana was a frog for most of the movie (I don't see how this is a problem in a movie that makes no effort at all to gloss over her background or ethnicity, but whatever) and claim it's about racist American audiences, entirely ignoring the fact that Disney is also marketing this stuff in Europe and Asia as well.

The US has horrible racism problems. But it doesn't have Black Peter or Darkie brand toothpaste.

So yeah, I don't think we'll see a gay princess for years after stuff has died down in the US.

[kallanda_lee]

Hmm; but you're assuming racism works the same in every place. We have Black Peter here, but, that doesn't mean you couldn't market a movie with a black protagonist here. At all - it's just that we do not link blackface to racism. That's not to say racism doesn't exist, but you're taking one specific element of a culture and assuming you can make conclusions about an entire country's media culture based on that.

Not to mention the fact that Disney would also market to a lot of countries where white is not the majority.

[chardmonster]

>it's just that we do not link blackface to racism

I think what you mean is that a lot of people don't think it's racist when THEY do it.

>Not to mention the fact that Disney would also market to a lot of countries where white is not the majority.

I think you'll find Asia is pretty weird about black people.

[(Anonymous)]

Blackface does not have the same cultural context everywhere in the world, though. In some old traditions, painting your face black was not used to mock black people but to portray a certain saint while actually acknowledging his skin colour (which I, personally, would read as an inclusive action and not a racist one).

[(Anonymous)]

Just because something is racist in America does not mean ethnic populations in other countries will find it racist. FFS, there are countries where Gypsies and Orientals are the preferred terms and it is the ethnic groups in question requesting that people explicitly use those terms. Just because America had a very aggressive type of racism, where there was active effort to keep people from certain groups down, does not mean it was the case every where. The assertion that everyone must take offense in the same way America does and throw out their own cultural contexts is just as bad as the rest of the racism being pumped out by the US> Just because it looks similar to an American racist practice does not mean it came from the same context. There is no reason to insist it is offensive if it doesn't.

I'll be glad when China takes over as the dominant global culture and everyone has to start using Chinese cultural contexts instead of American ones.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god, I found a Chinaboo.

[(Anonymous)]

My country is a tiny neighbor of China that has suffered for years from their brand of "cultural dominance", so yeah, nope on that last proposal.

[(Anonymous)]

Tibet is not a real country, its just a region. Jesus, you sound like one of those 80s hippys.

[(Anonymous)]

Ew.

-1

[(Anonymous)]

I'm gonna echo the "ew" of the anon above.

And I hope you get your wish of living under a different cultural dominance, but I'm gonna opt out of that one, thanks.

[(Anonymous)]

Who said they were from Tibet either, good god.

[(Anonymous)]

As an American, I'd love for someone other than the U.S. to take over global culture if for no other reason than a lot of people in America would finally get to learn that the U.S. is not a lone bastion of racism, homophobia, transphobia, and sexism in a sea of tolerance, love, and equality spanning the entire rest of the world.

I'd wager that you'll be waiting longer for a Disney film focusing on gay characters than you would if the company were based in one of the Nordic countries, but you'll get it sooner than you would if they were based in Russia or Uganda.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love it simply because I'm getting tired of people in other countries consuming so much American culture and then getting pissy that there isn't an automatic reciprocal relationship there, as if it were possible to be that framiliar with ALL other cultures' entertainment media.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

"Tiana was a frog for almost the entire movie!" And the guys she was trying to buy the restaurant from stopped short of actually saying "we won't sell it to you because you're a black woman". I have to wonder if those people saw the same movie I did.