[ SECRET POST #2825 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2825 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[(Anonymous)]

Despite what the country is struggling toward, people of color aren't 100% accepted in the US either. You don't push a country to acceptance by not having visibility

[diet_poison]

They're not, but it's also no longer a thing where families will be So Offended!! if their children have to see a black princess. I think that's where the line is.

[dancing_clown]

It's not a company's job to "push the country toward" anything. It's the company's job to tell stories and make money. And most are going to tell the stories that have been demonstrated to make things most money.

[dreemyweird]

...but why do you think it's dumb?? I mean - can't people talk about Disney making a gay story while not implying that it'll be something revolutionary and groundbreaking?

If you only mean the discussions where this IS implied, I tend to agree. Though you might've put it more nicely.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's dumb when people look to Disney for progressiveness too. Their business model relies a lot on not offending people.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Which is why it took Disney so goddamn long to have a princess who isn't white. They didn't lead the charge on race issues, expecting them to lead the charge on gay representation is really naive.

[(Anonymous)]

Disney is the safest company, I don't understand why people pretend otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

This, pretty much. When has Disney ever been about pushing progressive social values? (Princesses that like to read and explore don't count, btw)

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. When has Disney ever pushed the envelope, outside of their brief Nazi-worship in the 30s?

[(Anonymous)]

The only way Disney would make a movie about a gay couple is if they risked more backlash by not doing it then doing it, and right now they would risk more backlash by doing it so it's not going to happen.

If you want more focus on gay couples in children's entertainment Disney is just not the company to look at for the moment. I really think many other companies in the West would have to do it first before Disney even tried.

[(Anonymous)]

If they ever do a movie with a gay protagonist, I'm calling it now, it will be about two princesses. They will both be merchandised to hell. (The gay men out there looking for visibility will have to wait much longer.) If they ever do a movie with a trans protagonist, they will be MtF, so that she can be a princess now, and she will also be merchandised to hell.

[(Anonymous)]

Personally I'd love Disney to test the water with a Pixar adaptation of S. Andrew Swann's Dragon Princess. There is no explicit LGBT content, but a princess getting turned into and [rot13 for spoilers]riraghnyyl ybivat orvat n Qentba, naq n znyr guvrs trggvat ghearq vagb n cevaprff naq riraghnyyl zneelvat gung qentba[/end rot13 spoilers] would certainly have enough applicability without being overly offensive to either fundies and phobes or the actual LGBT community.

[(Anonymous)]

Thought they'd already done a trans* princess with Jasmine. Just check out the proof page on tumblr. They kept it on the downlow so that they could sneak it past the censors and get people used to it quietly.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it's just me, but I wouldn't fucking mind that. One of my biggest criticisms of the LGBT+ movement is how its main focus is on gay men, but gay women, bisexuals, etc, get less visibility.

The time gay women do get visibility is typically by straight people using them to sell products to men.

[chardmonster]

I think people really don't understand that Disney is catering to a global audience.

People complain that Tiana was a frog for most of the movie (I don't see how this is a problem in a movie that makes no effort at all to gloss over her background or ethnicity, but whatever) and claim it's about racist American audiences, entirely ignoring the fact that Disney is also marketing this stuff in Europe and Asia as well.

The US has horrible racism problems. But it doesn't have Black Peter or Darkie brand toothpaste.

So yeah, I don't think we'll see a gay princess for years after stuff has died down in the US.

[(Anonymous)]

Forget waiting for it to be acceptable in the US, Disney has a HUGE market overseas that is arguably more profitable than the US Market. Say what you will about Americans; if you think Russia or China is gonna just love taking their kids to see a movie about a gay Princess, you're deluded.

[sarillia]

A lot of people seem to be treating wanting something as the same thing as expecting it. Of course I don't expect a lesbian Disney princess, but I still want it because I love Disney movies and it would be a symbol of acceptance and of the cutesy kind of lesbian stories I like because I'm sick of LGBT people being treated as inherently more sexual than straight people. I like to think it will happen eventually and I may speak a little more hopefully on the subject than is realistic but that doesn't mean I need a lecture on the homophobic climate we live in.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think just the US - Disney pretty much has an enormous market worldwide. Even if USA is relatively progressive, even if they could probably risk putting in LGBT characters that might alienate some American audiences... Disney also reaches out to extremely conservative countries that are light years behind in social progress.

I'm not sure Disney is "not" progressive, I really think it does all right. How many of the princesses since the late 80s were non-white, for example? I can think of quite a few. And I don't think most of the recent (read: the last twenty five years) movies are even that sexist or whatever, being romantic princess stories aside.

But putting in a gay character? Maybe as a subtle side character at best. Give it another ten years at least.

[(Anonymous)]

I can honestly see them making some random side character gay within the next decade or so. But for a main character, yeah, not gonna happen for a while.

OT, but I was wondering ...

[(Anonymous)]

Why Ariel/Aurora? Not knocking, I'm just wondering if there's a logic.

If I was shipping Ariel with another Disney princess, I'd have gone for Rapunzel maybe? They'd have a lot in common, the trapped young woman yearning for adventure, betrayed by a witch they trusted, experience with overbearing parents, learning what it's like to have to sacrifice magic or a way of life for the one you love ...

Aurora, I'm not sure. What we saw of her as Briar Rose had a certain irreverance and humour about her, a little wildness. Her and Jasmine might enjoy each other? Or Belle. Actually, I think I'd like to see Belle brave a dragon for the fey, charming maiden she met in the forest one day (and I would adore seeing Belle arguing with the fairies and/or Maleficent). Aurora, for her part, would know all about dreams of adventure and seeing something more than her lonely cottage, and I think they're sense of humour would match pretty well too.

... Huh. I think I just talked myself into that. Aurora/Belle, okay, I can go with that.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably. They got a lot of shit for having a pair of lesbian mothers on one of their live action shows.

[(Anonymous)]

and that's...what we want?

[(Anonymous)]

Being gay isn't going to be accepted by 100% of the country ever, so I disagree with you. Disney will create a movie with prominent LGBT characters before that happens.

I also hate this "it'll never happen so why bother!" sentiment because 1) if no one ever talks about it and shows companies that there is demand for these sorts of things, they'll definitely never do it so why shut them down? and 2) it completely shits on all the LGBT people working for Disney to parrot this "it'll never happen!" garbage when you have no idea what's going on inside the company.

[(Anonymous)]

there will be a lesbian princess before there is an unattractive one.