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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/09/legalization-incestuous-relationships-_n_5959494.html

I've been kind of wondering about this lately after coincidentally having a couple different conversations about it, and then coming across this article.

Do you guys think consensual incest is a thing that actually exists? It's something that I find interesting to read about but it sort of seems like one of those "only in fiction" type things to me. I guess if there were siblings who didn't grow up together and then met as adults and wanted to date or whatever because they don't see each other as siblings, that seems somewhat plausible. But for someone to just randomly decide one day as an adult (or even as a teenager) that they're romantically interested in their sibling seems pretty unlikely to me.

Like I said above, it's a topic I find interesting and something I've considered writing about before, but I'm just not sure it's all that realistic (although I suppose something doesn't necessarily need to be realistic to write a story about it). In the past I've disagreed with people who said incestuous relationships were always abusive even if they seemed consensual, but now I'm wondering if they're right, because how could something like that happen in a relatively "normal" family where there wasn't any abuse?

I don't know, I'm just kind of curious to see what other people think. Do you think it's possible for two siblings to actually have a consensual relationship? (I'm sticking to siblings for the sake of this discussion; parent/child is a whole other thing and a bit more of a black and white issue IMO.)

I think in cases where they grew up together, it's possible but probably rare, and would be difficult to prove. It does seem to be fairly common for long-lost relatives to meet and be attracted to each other (google Westermarck Effect), and I don't think people should be criminalized for that.

I've read about a few cases where an adult brother and adult sister engaged in consensual incest. In one case, it was two siblings who were separated at birth, raised separately and by coincidence, met and began dating when they were adults. In another case, it was two adult siblings who grew up together but when the sister was going through a difficult divorce and confessed that her self-esteem was shaky, her brother and she ended up sleeping together and, at least at the time of the interview I read, they both felt positively about it. I think those are the only cases I know of that are consensual.

Not for legalization at all. It is WAY to easy to have an abuse of power in these situations. How would you differentiate between to consenting siblings who have not coerced each other and one sibling that has groomed the other into a sexual relationship.

My concerns exactly.

Also just gross, ew, and no.

>Gross
>Ew
>No

Please get out

Those seem like typical responses to what the anon was describing?

I'm not fan of incest, but I want tumblr maymays to leave.

What? Maymays?

WTF is a maymay? All I can find is a mispronunciation of meme, and that doesn't seem to fit the context here.

Re: What do you guys think about this? (TW: incest, possible abuse?)

(Anonymous) - 2014-10-14 04:22 (UTC) - Expand

Wouldn't work anyways. I was born in July.

Sometimes I get sad when people spend so much time on the Internet that they forget words are sometimes words.

Why?

You're a grown woman. Use your big girl words and sentence structures.

Stop being a dick.

Fair enough. I find adult incest to be grossly tainted on all manners of moral, legal, and emotional levels. It also inspires within me feelings that would traditionally, if not childishly, be described by giggling schoolchildren using the word "ew". I am so virulently against the practice of consenting incest that my emphatic and final proclamation of condoning such a thing would be a ringing shout of "No."

A well filled and vigorous vocabulary is all sorts of fun, isn't it?

lol I love you

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Re: What do you guys think about this? (TW: incest, possible abuse?)

(Anonymous) - 2014-10-14 04:06 (UTC) - Expand

Go away Tumblrite.

I mean I wouldn't do it, but I don't think its an impossibility that consensual incest exist; pretty sure the odds are in the tens or hundreds of millions on the planet, but I wouldn't be exactly shocked if I were to find multiple current cases of it.

Not exactly where to go from here, but I'm wondering what would happen in terms of incidents of it happening if it were to be made legal, since it's a wide gap between being able to have consensual sex with a relative and being able to get married/have a civil union.

Idk about twins, but I think siblings raised together have an inherent power imbalance and shouldn't be a relationship together. I'm not quite sure how I feel about separately raised.

Also, I also kind of wonder how much credence that inbreeding has for against it. I mean continuous inbreeding is obviously bad (see royal families and domestic dogs), but occasional doesn't seem to have super bad effects.

The reason inbreeding is bad is because everyone has the basis for 3 or 5 serious genetic disorders in there DNA. As long as you only have half of the disorder it's not a problem. But if your partner-in-baby-making has the same half of a genetic disorder and the baby gets two of the genes you get a problem. That is why completely healthy parents sometimes get kids with a genetic disorder there partner just happens to have basis for the same one.

With inbreeding you are dealing with two parent who have a lot of the same genetic material. Therefore they are likely to have the same half of a horrible genetic disorder. So if they do reproduce the kids are very likely to have something wrong with them.

You can of course get very very lucky that the relatives in question either haven't inherited the same basis of a horrible disease or that they just happen not to pas the same one on to their children. But there is not much chance of it.

It's not something I would personally participate in. But so long as no one is being abused, coerced, forced, or otherwise mistreated, it's honestly not my place to judge. So I don't.

Do I think it exists? Yes. Do I think it's a good idea? Well, for the most part I feel that adults can do what they want as long as they're not harming anyone else (though it grosses me out personally quite a bit). The only problem is if it's a het relationship, the chance of pregnancy is always there (even if protection is used), and children of incestual relationships are more likely to have major genetic issues that can impact them negatively. So that muddies the ethics a bit.

Short answer: yes it actually exists. Somewhat longer answer: yes, it actually exists, but usually only in people who don't know they're related. A truly shocking amount of brothers and sisters separated at birth have later met and married only to find out that whoops.

It also purportedly does exist in cases of sibilings raised together... but this is extremely rare and all but undocumented. I imagine due to the immense social stigma against anyone who would admit to it.

To add to your longer answer, it exists a lot in people who are related but don't meet until they're adults because of this thing called genetic sexual attraction. The theory is that basically all the instinctual feelings of affection you have for people who are genetically similar to you (your close family) suddenly gets switched on when you're already a sexual being, and so becomes sexual in nature. Doesn't happen for every separated family, of course, but it happens enough for it to be a thing.

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