[ SECRET POST #2860 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2860 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"repeat after me:

there are white people suffering in the world

but the white people who are suffering are not suffering because they are white"

Yes, thank you person online for assuming the entire world is like America/Europe. Asia? Africa? What are those amiright?

[comradesmiler]

What is Zimbabwe?

[(Anonymous)]

What is Google?

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=zimbabwe

[(Anonymous)]

lol

[(Anonymous)]

This is not Jeopardy.

[(Anonymous)]

What, like Albinos? They aren't really white in terms of race.

[(Anonymous)]

That was the entirety of the post.

[dreemyweird]

Co-signed. America-centric posts really, really irritate me.

[(Anonymous)]

I find it weird that you've singled out Asia and Africa. Yes, it's true that, say in Japan, white people experience discrimination there, but they don't experience because they're white specifically, but because they're foreigners. And most of the white people living there are living there by choice.
I think a good example of a white population experiencing racial discrimination are the Romani population in Europe.

[(Anonymous)]

Seriously, white people don't HAVE to go live in Asia or Africa. Go back to Europe.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't add them because according to certain types of tumblr people, Rromani people aren't "really white" because white people can't be discriminated against therefor anyone that's "white" but is discriminated against isn't "really white".

[(Anonymous)]

"And most of the white people living there are living there by choice."

This is such a fucking weird statement. Don't most immigrants wherever technically have some "choice" in where they go? And even if you chose to, say, accept a job in a foreign country, does that mean you can't complain when you're treated poorly because of your race?

And with Japan, no, it is NOT only the fact that white people are "foreign". Yes, white people almost definitely have it better than any other race in Japan, but there are negative stereotypes associated with white people, even making fun of physical racial characteristics. When you can walk into the Japanese equivalent of Wal-mart and buy a "white person" costume that consists of a giant fake nose and a blonde wig, it's not the fact that you're foreign that is the butt of the joke here.

[(Anonymous)]

Shit, any foreigner will experience discrimination in Japan. I know a girl who was born in Japan but her parents are Korean, and she still had to carry her passport around to prove that she belonged there.

[(Anonymous)]

O god people like this. For gods sake my friend had to change her name back to her fathers surname who she hates and has been horrible to her since the divorce of her parents just because her mothers name was Polish. Every job interview she got started with "o your Dutch is very good". Her mother's family came from Poland in the first world war and the last 3 generations grew up here but she still gets this shit.

[(Anonymous)]

Can confirm. I got this for just mentioning the language on my CV, even though my name isn't even Eastern European.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah yes, tumblr (and sometimes US-centric fandom on whatever other platform), where any real dialogue about SJ issues related to discrimination based on race, skin color, ethnicity and heritage in various different countries now or in the past is doomed to fail - unless it's along the party line of how only POC can be victims, only white people are oppressors. And even when some people make great efforts to show that this is neither true today nor has been true in the past, most of the folks who ~care so deeply about SJ will turn around and ignore it entirely or make a clever comment among the lines of ~nice try, but white people can't ever be oppressed, lol!

[(Anonymous)]

Well for Europe it is pretty easy. Generally discrimination against foreigners and poor people. Especially poor foreigners rich foreigners get a pass.

[(Anonymous)]

And the rest of North-American? And South-America?

Oh, right, we don't exist when it comes to those discussions.

[(Anonymous)]

True. It's not that racism and discrimination don't exist here, they do, but they are completely different from the US, which is more of a black/white absolute.

For example, in my country, you can be discriminated in a setting, but not in other. Social hierarchy is relative and fluid, at least way more than in the US.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Actually curious, though

[(Anonymous)]

Is there any part of the world where white people, specifically, suffer as a race due to being white? (And I'm not talking about marginalized ethnic groups that are white, when the fact that they are white is not the reason they're marginalized.) Places like above-mentioned Japan where anyone who's not the native race is discriminated against don't count either, I'm talking about white people and only white people suffering for being white.

I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just genuinely curious because I don't think I've ever heard of that happening anywhere.

Re: Actually curious, though

[(Anonymous)]

I don't feel I'm well versed enough to answer your question.

The only things that come to my mind is:
(a) we can't even seem to agree on what 'white' is half the time, because people start arguing what counts and what doesn't count, and
(b) it seems it's really hard to distinguish whether people are being marginalized because of race or nationality or other socio-economic factors. Such as where anons upthread discuss the motivation for discrimination in Japan - whiteness or simply being foreign.

I don't think it can be laid out in any cut-and-dried form.

Re: Actually curious, though

[(Anonymous)]

Nope.

Re: Actually curious, though

[(Anonymous)]

Is there a place in the world where black people, and only black people, suffer for being black? Not Asians, Indians, Middle-Easterners, or anyone else?

The answer is no. Therefore black people don't suffer racism.

Re: Actually curious, though

[(Anonymous)]

"Places like above-mentioned Japan where anyone who's not the native race is discriminated against don't count either..."

Okay, but that's kind of how it works in general? If you're the non-native race or the non-dominant race, you're gonna be discriminated against. So if we're using that standard, then no examples of racism against anyone actually count.