[ SECRET POST #2861 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2861 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why?

[(Anonymous)]

because anon doesn't like it, duh, and the world should bend to his/her wishes, double duh

/jk, I'd like to know why, too, but I'm pretty sure those are the real reasons/

OP

[(Anonymous)]

It's in the secret: I think it would improve the quality of fic if shipping was not allowed.

Re: OP

[anonymous4]

Why would people bother to write if they couldn't write what they wanted? You wouldn't 'improve' the fics, you'd just reduce the number.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

People could write what they wanted, but it would just be in certain places and not others.

Re: OP

[anonymous4]

Then the places where they couldn't post the fics they want to write would just have fewer fics... Which might mean that you have fewer fics to wade through, but it wouldn't affect their quality.

Re: OP

[lady_songsmith]

This. If you ban a certain type of fic from big archives, people just go use something else.

As for shipping fics in particular, there are certainly more crappy ship fic than crappy gen fics, but that's because there are more ship fics than gen fics total. The proportion of crap in both is about the same.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Heh... not really.

People would still write shit, or boring stories, or well-intentioned stories rife with grammatical errors, or hilaribad pointless one-shots (not one-shots in general). People would still push for graphic content with mixed results. Some of the worst written stories I've encountered actually had nothing to do with romance.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Holy shit, you remind me of a piece of shit in fandom that I used to know. She was so against shipping that she even encouraged her husband to harass people who dared to write shipping fic.

...are you her?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, that's off the radar loopy.

I didn't get that vibe from the OP though.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

No. I don't harass anyone who writes shipping fic, I just don't like it or want to see it.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Then use your own solution and only look at communities that are gen-oriented. The shippers are a larger number and certainly aren't leaving, so it's really up to you.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Infact, here's a comm dedicated to reccing nothing but gen:

gensplosion

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Most sites will have ways to avoid it though.

You can also just not read it. Does seeing a title and summary bother you that much?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Shipping fics existing on the same plane as them seems to bother OP that much.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

OP doesn't seem like the type to take action. People like having something to complain about.

Re: OP

[iggy]

Even if that were true fanfic archives aren't meant to be gated communities where only excellent fic is allowed*. Anyone should be welcome to write and post.

*unless it's a by invitation archive, and do those even exist any longer?

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

But maybe they should be. I mean, I'm not like OP, in that I'm a pretty huge shipper. I'd welcome some measure of quality control, however.

Re: OP

[iggy]

Why? Fandom isn't a club. Shouldn't anyone be welcome to express their love of a series through writing regardless of their skills?

I don't mind people making smaller archives that are invitation only/audition only, but a mainstream archive like ao3 or ff.net? No way.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Of course they should. But people who write original fiction are also welcome to express themselves regardless of their skills, yet it's expected that they won't be published certain places unless their works reach a certain level of quality.

I can see the logic in having places that are more exploratory and general and having the archives be about quality over quantity.

Re: OP

[iggy]

People aren't being paid to write fanfic nor do they have to pay to read it? I think this is false equivalency. Of course work you PAY to read should be filtered for a modicum of quality, but free to post and free to read writing posted on the internet? Anyone should be free to post to major archives, provided their work isn't deliberate trollfic/breaks rules or some other such.

While it's important for fanfic archives to cater toward readers, it's even more important in my opinion for them to be a welcoming place for writers. They're the ones doing the work.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

The key phrase here is "certain places." People who write original fic can still publish it, the difference is that you're not paying to read their work, or supporting them in any way.

You're assuming fanfic is the same as original fic, and saying that fanfic sites should have some sort of quality control when there's no incentive to do so. You're saying that other people should put in a lot of work into changing a site's purpose and workings for no reason other than the benefit of you and people like you, it's very naive way of thinking but it does show how spoiled you've been by the existence of fic/free published writing.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I've been a member of invite only archives. The fic was just as bad there as anywhere else, with the added fun of cliques.

One of the best genficcers I know applied for an invite to a "quality" genfic comm and was turned down.

My own fic on a gated archive was "corrected" by the archive beta who didn't know punctuation that well or have a wide vocabulary.

Quality control archives just don't work. There's a reason they fell out of favour.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay. Giving you the 'not a troll' benefit of the doubt for a second.

The problem with this is that you're imagining fanfic writers as a zero sum game. You seem to imagine that if, in this theoretical fantasyworld of yours, it was made more difficult for fanfic writers to write romance fics (by reducing the places where they could post their fic) they'd switch to genfic instead, or that some other kind of switch would take place wherein the amount and quality of genfic would increase in correlation to the decline of shipping fics.

As others have said, your 'solution' to your irritation would solve absolutely nothing. It wouldn't make romance writers suddenly write gen, therefore the amount and quality of the pool would remain exactly the same. It would either make romance writers stop, thus depriving the majority of both outlet and enjoyment, or they'd simply move elsewhere and that would become the big archive and gen would remain marginalized.

Because people already write and create the things they enjoy, and the things they're interested in. If that skews onto one track more than another, then that's just how it is.

Gen isn't marginalized because of shipping. Gen is marginalized because fewer people enjoy reading and writing it. Blaming shipping or romance for that is ludicrous. Blaming the people who write and enjoy shipping and romance is just you being bitter.

[(Anonymous)]

Posted this in the wrong place, apologies.