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[ SECRET POST #2861 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2861 ⌋

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I'm leaning no.

Is there a consensus on how long the grace period should be? Is there a consensus on what counts as a spoiler or not? Is somebody going to watch for spoilers and report them, because I'm not familiar with every fandom? Are they going to be from all over the world, and if something airs in the US, is it considered "aired and fair game" in the UK? Or vice versa? What about stuff that originates from Japan and isn't published elsewhere at all? Do we go by when they aired in Japan? When torrents went up? When translations were put in? What if there's weeks or months between those dates? What if those people don't agree?

Yes, it sucks that people post spoilers, yes, it'd be much nicer of them to warn, and yes it sucks that people are trolling with them, but to delete those threads would cause more wank about what counts or not than stopping spoiler wank as far as I can tell. If someone is being a troll and posting spoilers in totally random threads, let me know that there's a troll doing so and I'll delete those for trolling, but not for spoilers.

Edited 2014-11-02 21:17 (UTC)

It's not so much about posting them, as about posting them without even mentioning the fandom (and then you can choose whether to click on it or not).

Most communities I'm in will have around a week grace period, some a bit less, some a bit more.

But the reason I mention it, is because it really did feel like deliberate and malicious - i.e. a form of trolling, basically. And with the amount of malicious trolls/stalkers we had lately - not that the know it works, it's bound to happen again.

Not until next Saturday at least. It was done by an individual with a personal wonk about specific events in the latest Doctor Who episode. By its nature that cannot be a regular recurring thing. There is only ep of the current series and unless Moffat is going on a genderflipping spree in it, and I admit with Moff that isn't as ridiculous as it might be, then it can't even happen again for that ep. I really think you are being oversensitive here.

I don't know, it's hard to tell when it's obviously all anons, but I feel like lately there's genuinely been an influx of assholes who are just deliberately mean to people, and this is yet another manifestation of this.

There have always been assholes being deliberately mean, just they've touched something you like this time and now you have your panties in a bunch. Let it pass, just let it pass.

Yes, let's allow people to be shitty to each other. That's the solution.

Re: Case, in relation to the spoiler thread in GC yesterday...

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That's what I mean, though. A week's grace period from what? Airing where? In what form? Who decides this?

With smaller communities centered around one fandom, you can probably do it, but here you'd have to know almost every fandom in existence and what aired when and where and was viewable by whom. It'd be easy if everyone on FS were from the US and watching everything at the same pace, but it isn't that simple and I don't think it'd be fair to act as though it is.

It's obviously entirely up to you, but I feel like there's something we should be able to do against people like that.

Yeah, I too think we should be able to do stuff to people who do stuff I don't like. People should totally stop doing stuff I don't like.

That's not really helping. Please don't do that.

We already do stop people from posting certain things. Personal attacks or suicide encouragement are not posted/deleted for example. Gory or sexually explicit posts are linked (they did not use to be, fyi, but someone requested it at some point and Case thought it reasonable).

I don't think it's unfair to have a discussion within a fan community about what we are willing and unwilling to tolerate. The reason I put it here and not message case in pm is that people CAN actually voice their opinions - because, you know, if everyone disagrees with me then this is clearly not this community's wish and I was wrong. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about re-evaluating rules if we see that a problem is forming.

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Yeah, but the things you use as examples are things that can genuinely hurt people emotionally/psychologically (except the sexually explicit thing I guess..I assume that's for NSFW purposes, although I guess it could be upsetting depending on what's depicted). Seeing a spoiler is just mildly inconvenient

Not in fandom's eyes. Don't you know talking about rape fic is okay, but god forbid you spoil something.

excuse you I've been in therapy for nearly three years because I got spoiled for Game of Thrones

MAYBE I DON'T WANT TO READ THE BOOKS OKAY??

Re: Case, in relation to the spoiler thread in GC yesterday...

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But figuring out whether a comment contains suicide encouragement, gore or sexually explicit content is a lot easier than figuring out if something's a spoiler. You're asking case to have an encyclopedic knowledge of every single fandom that appears on FS, including its chronology. It also assumes there's a general consensus on the statue of limitations for spoilers, and what the penalty should be, and how to enforce banning when it comes to people without signed accounts.

I don't disagree that it'd be nice to do something about trolls who post spoilers, but I'm not seeing where it's feasible to monitor the community to stop them beyond what case is doing now: acting as quickly as he can if/when alerted by the users.

Re: Case, in relation to the spoiler thread in GC yesterday...

kallanda_lee - 2014-11-03 11:04 (UTC) - Expand

This is bullshit and you know it. Communities don't work if there aren't standards of conduct. And when you're breaking those standards, or being a fuckass, then yeah, people get to say "no, you can't do that."

Or do you really think that people should just be able to do whatever they want, no matter what effect it has on anyone else? Should we not stop people from harassing people, or telling them to kill themselves, or sending death threats? Should we not stop people from stealing or assaulting or murdering? How far do you want to take this, you piece of shit?

Like I said, if they're trolling by posting spoilers in random places, then let me know and those threads will be deleted.

If you actively go post in a thread where spoilers are obviously being posted, though, I don't think it's reasonable to complain that the replies you get contain more spoilers.

(Or, if there's a troll that keeps starting spoiler threads in GC over and over, I'll delete those too. One thread by one person isn't enough to enforce a blanket spoiler ban, though.)

Edited 2014-11-02 21:35 (UTC)

I meant the former anyway!

If spoilers are being posted in a thread on a secret, or there are say, MCU spoilers in an MCU thread, I find that completely different.

The spoilers weren't really being posted randomly though and the initial spoiler wasn't troll-y. The OP had a genuine point to make (a really dumb point, but still) and the purpose wasn't just to spoil people for the heck of it. All of the other spoilers were posted in the same, Doctor Who thread as well so that wasn't really random either

Re: Case, in relation to the spoiler thread in GC yesterday...

kallanda_lee - 2014-11-02 21:46 (UTC) - Expand

The thread you are complaining about very clearly weblinked itself to a Doctor Who secret. If you dodn't bother to follow the link to see what they were talking about, then you've only yourself to blame. Teal Deer? You are being over sensitive, and you are also coming off petulant now that Case has told you you can't have your own way.

Re: Case, in relation to the spoiler thread in GC yesterday...

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-02 22:03 (UTC) - Expand

I mean, if that keeps happening (like one anon keeps randomly spamming GC with spoiler threads just to spoil people), I'll do something about that particular variant of trolling.

As far as I can see though, yesterday was just one thread of someone talking about Doctor Who (?) and probably spoiling unintentionally (the thread was about them being right, not maliciously intending to spoiler). They didn't get started with the deliberate spoilering until people went in and started engaging with them. It seemed like a one-off rather than a trend that's going to continue.

Re: Case, in relation to the spoiler thread in GC yesterday...

kallanda_lee - 2014-11-02 21:49 (UTC) - Expand

I agree with your reasoning. There's no clear statute of limitations on spoilers and trying to regulate it on here would be chaos

Although I don't agree with all your decisions, I agree completely with this so thank you.

And just for the record I hate spoilers, but any rule about spoilers would have to be done for the sake of an specifically located group of users.
But FS has users from many parts of the word, so it'll be unfair for everyone else.

It'll be better if everyone could show some courtesy and at least warn, sure, but since it isn't possible to control that, then we have to just accept there's always the chance of someone posting spoilers and move on.

Might I recommend changing the wording? I think the text at the top of the page implys that there will be spoilers and to take your own chances, but I can get why some people would use it as a loophole, cause it does literally mean the secrets alone will contain spoliers (even though the line has been used to defend spoilers in the comments to secrets.

TLDR: Grey area

Yup: Also "may contain spoilers" never meant "go head and post spoilers" to me. It just means it's not being checked, but it's always been encouraged to add spoiler and/or trigger warning here. Hence fucked-up Friday.

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