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I really don't get this. Love the ship all you want, but it isn't canon. Most of my Harry Potter ships are not canon, and I'm okay with that. Canon is canon, you can't change that. This is also very close to the sentiment from the Remus/Sirius fandom that turned my feelings for the ship from disinterest to active dislike.

+1 People who can't shut up about how something is OBVIOUSLY CANON when it isn't actually canon annoys me so much. It's okay to joke about it, and be sort of tongue in cheek, but when you cross that line I just think, go away.

It's the tumblr vogue. Every ship has to be canon. More canon=truer ship. Everything that happens in canon, you must proceed to shout "omg so canon!!" and swoon all over gifsets.
Also the author is dead and you can interpret whatever you want and everything is valid forever because you can't police their imagination.

Yeah. This makes me mad sometimes. It's just this bunch of people who have somehow managed to discover the basics of fiction analysis, latched onto this one thing they understood well and are now convinced they are very clever for doing so.

This attitude was pretty prevalent in the LJ fandom days, too, so it's not just a "tumblr thing."

You may be right, but I don't remember it being like that in my circles at least. I do think it's grown more prevalent.

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(Anonymous) - 2014-11-10 09:22 (UTC) - Expand

ketita - 2014-11-10 09:41 (UTC) - Expand

(Anonymous) - 2014-11-10 09:54 (UTC) - Expand

ketita - 2014-11-10 11:21 (UTC) - Expand

Remus/Sirius is canon is wayyyy older than Tumblr. It's not true, but it's not a Tumblr thing. In fact I used to see '[ship] is so canon' a lot more in the LJ days.

I don't think OP is saying it's actually canon, just that they read the books that way. The use of 'canon' in fandom context has become very vague.

you were turned off by obnoxious remus/sirius shippers but shipped harry/hermione? is it irony or hypocrisy here?

I was turned off by the obnoxious Harry/Hermione shippers too (although I never saw the "almost canon" thing and insisting it was canon after the canon romances happened, just a different sort of crazy). The difference being that I already shipped Harry/Hermione, so by the time the last book came out I was mostly shipping in spite of a large chunk of the fandom. I didn't like Remus/Sirius to begin with, so the insistence that it was canon turned me completely off it.

Also, I'm well aware that I was one of the crazy shippers for a time when I first got into the fandom. It took me a few years to realize that I was okay with shipping a non-canon ship and that there was no such thing as an objectively better or worse ship.

Edited 2014-11-09 21:49 (UTC)

Actually, Remus/Sirius shippers often shipped Ron/Hermione. Just wanted to point that out. And not all of any of those shippers were obnoxious...

i know a lot of remus/sirius shippers shipped r/hr, at least they did before HBP. i remember remus & sirius's wink-wink, nudge-nudge relationship in that after the end fic.

I can totally understand how overbearing shipers can put you off things. However the books don't explicitly state either way and, unlike most OTPs, Remus/Sirius could be seen as a valid interpretation of the canon. Just from an objective pov.

It does piss me off when people insist it is the only interpretation though.

It's not canon, though. You can ship it just fine, it's just not canon.

Yep. Canon=/=any logically plausible interpretation. I wish more people understood the difference.

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*shrugs* Wasn't really my point. I know that's what the OP is saying, but it's not what I was saying. Was just offering my two cents.

I agree - there's nothing ruling out Remus/Sirius, and nothing ruling it in. It's not against canon, just not in canon either. That's the kind of queer ship that ruled up until recently, and in many canons is still the only option.

No. Remus at least is canonically straight. Yes, it is stated. Sirius is heavily implied to be straight. And if Sirius loved anyone it would've been James. There's no basis at all to believe those two are a couple. None.

Ugh. I find the Sirius/Remus crap so annoying. It's like no one can believe two men can be close friends, nope gotta be gay. Gross.

Let me clarify--"gross" refers to sexualization period, not specifically gay sexualization. I just haaaaate it when every single interaction/friendship/whatever is sexualized in the Potter fandom. Don't even get me started on Drarry. Just let friends (or in Draco and Harry's case, bitter enemies) be friends.

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No. Remus at least is canonically straight. Yes, it is stated

I don't think Remus/Sirius is real at all, but where is it stated that Remus is straight? (Did Rowling state it or is it in the books somewhere? I haven't re-read them in a while) I know that he got with Tonks, but that's not irrefutable evidence that he's heterosexual.

arcadiaego - 2014-11-10 22:29 (UTC) - Expand

And so the invisibility of bisexuality continues.

Thank you. Also, I'm so glad yours was the first comment, here. Why the hell does it matter if it's canon, anyway? This attitude like canon is somehow "better" than anything else in fandom makes me scratch my head.

+1!

I don't understand the obsession with declaring ships canon, or searching for "proof" that a ship is canon. I've noticed it a lot with Sirius/Remus in particular, and some of the stuff that the hardcore shippers pull out as evidence borders on Unfortunate Implications. Like the fact that they're really close friends, and they hug; they must be in love, because male friendship that close can't possibly be platonic! Ship what you ship, but I don't see the point in pretending that something's canon when it really isn't.

I only had one definite canon ship before I wandered off into slash, so the validation of having a canon ship was never a thing that took hold with me. I would even venture to say I feel non-canon ships are a bit more creatively free because they are not bound by the relationship beats canon ships are.

Canon ships? I can take 'em or leave 'em. Non-canon? I don't need official validation for them, I only need fanfic.