[ SECRET POST #2870 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2870 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[X-Files]


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(Doctor Who/Torchwood)


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(Benedict Cumberbatch)


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[Star Trek]


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[Star Trek Voyager, "Macrocosm"]


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[Great British Bake Off series 4, Ruby Tandoh]


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[How to Get Away with Murder]


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[Far Cry 3]


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[Krazy Kat & Ignatz Mouse]











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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

Eh, you know what?

His unabashed and unapologetic sexuality is actually a large part of what I like about him. I'm not bi, so obviously that's going to influence my view of it - but, I don't think that every character needs to be a shining beacon of representation, either. The trouble isn't so much that Jack Harkness is the way he is, it's that if you can count bi characters in mainstream media on one hand, then your representation isn't nuanced to begin with.

Also I'm pretty sure Jack was RTD's creation, not Moffat's.

[dazzledfirestar]

I think you've nailed the issue here. The problem isn't Jack as a character who embodies a lot of bi/pan stereotypes. The probably is that he's one of a handful of characters in that category and they almost ALL embody those stereotypes.

If there were more bi/pan characters with more variety of personalty/dating style/whatever, we wouldn't have to have this conversation.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really get that there's a Bi representation issue. I'm Bi, but that's not my identity. It'S just that I happen to like guys sometimes, too. When I identified as a lesbian, I did want some representation of something besides het couples, simply because minority and stuff, but why would I need a character to expressly state that they're in a relationship with a person of gender a, but would also totally bang s.o. of gender b? The only way to really do that (except in a long-running series wth extendeed character development) is to make them overly sexual, or at least enough so that they change romantic partners at least once during the series. Which is already too much focus on romantic/sexual sides of characters for any genre but drama. Of course, you could just go and decide for characters to be bi, and not ever "show" it. That's also the only way I see trans representation not be cliche, but then, by the laws of the tv/movie media they might aswell not be.

[dazzledfirestar]

Have you ever noticed that even when a character is shown to be attracted to multiple genders, there's very rarely a label actually stated in canon about their orientation? They're "flexible" or suddenly gay or accused to be using their SO as a beard (i'm looking at HTGAWM right now but OITNB does it too). Relationship status has fuck all to do with orientation. Having a character say "I'm bi." should be enough.

But we can't even get that 99% of the time so... whatever.

If you don't feel it's needed, that's fine for you. Others disagree.