[ SECRET POST #2870 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2870 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[X-Files]


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(Doctor Who/Torchwood)


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(Benedict Cumberbatch)


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[Star Trek]


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[Star Trek Voyager, "Macrocosm"]


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[Great British Bake Off series 4, Ruby Tandoh]


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[How to Get Away with Murder]


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[Far Cry 3]


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[Krazy Kat & Ignatz Mouse]











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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/XNr7VY7.jpg?2
(Doctor Who/Torchwood)

[(Anonymous)]

Why are you bringing Moffat into this discussion? Jack is RTD's character, not Moffat's.

[(Anonymous)]

this, lol

(I assume it's because Moffat wrote the episode where he was introduced, IIRC? But still, Jack was Rusty's thing)

[(Anonymous)]

Moffat was credited during Jack's introduction as creating the character. Rusty may have given Moffat notes about a time traveler named Jax but it was Moffat and Barrowman who breathed life into him.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, Jack. I loved him in Doctor Who, but he was so grating in Torchwood. The only thing he's a shining example of is how to ruin a fun character.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed

[sabotabby]

They should never have put him in charge is the problem. He's an awesome sidekick/rogue but give him responsibility and it robs him of everything that makes him interesting.

[kallanda_lee]

Eh, you know what?

His unabashed and unapologetic sexuality is actually a large part of what I like about him. I'm not bi, so obviously that's going to influence my view of it - but, I don't think that every character needs to be a shining beacon of representation, either. The trouble isn't so much that Jack Harkness is the way he is, it's that if you can count bi characters in mainstream media on one hand, then your representation isn't nuanced to begin with.

Also I'm pretty sure Jack was RTD's creation, not Moffat's.

[dazzledfirestar]

I think you've nailed the issue here. The problem isn't Jack as a character who embodies a lot of bi/pan stereotypes. The probably is that he's one of a handful of characters in that category and they almost ALL embody those stereotypes.

If there were more bi/pan characters with more variety of personalty/dating style/whatever, we wouldn't have to have this conversation.

[sarillia]

Yeah it's one of those things where there's nothing wrong with being like the stereotypes but it would be nice if there were some other people from the group who didn't fit the stereotypes too.

[nightscale]

These are my thoughts on the matter too.

[(Anonymous)]

I find it interesting that he talks a good game about being willing to hit pretty much anything, but that's not actually reflected in his actions.

[(Anonymous)]

I never thought about that. Most of it is talk. I think we see him hit on 3 or 4 people successfully during the whole run of Torchwood?

But then again, he's lived a long time, so he'll have had a lot of history from which to draw his other stories.

[kallanda_lee]

True - and as far as we saw, he was somewhat monogamous with Ianto. And he even married once (and claims to actually appreciate the institute of marriage).

[(Anonymous)]

Now John Hart on the other hand... (I wonder what would have happened if he actually got out of the car to go up to the poodle)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes I always thought that was the point, he used seduction and flirting to get information, or to trick people. Yet he almost never acts on it, and we only ever see him being monogamous on the show.
Even in that dreadful miracle day, he has a one night stand, but the only other relationship is a more ongoing one.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really get the classification of Jack as a Moffat character. Okay, yes, he did create him, but he never appeared in a Moffat-scripted episode after that point.

In season 1, I think Jack's character is defined less by his sexuality than by his also being a time traveller (with 51st c. tech), and how that makes him a foil for the Doctor. His flirtatious personality is part of it, contrasting the more reserved/serious Nine. But he's also there to be the one that proposes more violent methods of dealing with the threat-of-the-week (the Brig's perpetual plot function), just so the Doctor can come up with a better one. His character is that of a rogue, there to be shaped into a more noble companion character by the Doctor.

[(Anonymous)]

Wasn't the entire main cast of Torchwood bisexual? I haven't seen Doctor Who at all, but saw the first couple seasons of Torchwood. I think each of the main group was written to be bisexual and they're all different in how they view relationships.

And actually despite being bisexual, Jack only seemed to go for guys in the Torchwood as far as I remember, except for obvious sexual tension with the main girl...

[(Anonymous)]

What? Not at all true.

There's the tension you speak of with that female character, but there's also his past lover who is now an old woman. He also flirts with a lot of aliens.

[kallanda_lee]

I think Owen and Rhys weren't. And Gwen is questionable because she only kissed a girl under alien influence. She seems more like the kind of person who's cool with it, but doesn't really swing that way. I think Jack Ianto and Tosh were, up to some point.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, you kinda do need to watch Torchwood if you want an expanded characterization on Jack.

[cloud_riven]

I give you three hearty lols! HA HA HA ♥

[iggy]

Jack isn't Moffat's character.

Continuing though, he's not my favorite at all, but I do think he's a fairly progressive character. He's very much the swaggering, masculine, playboy hero, dashing with a potentially amoral past and lead character charisma. This is ALWAYS a heterosexual male in fiction, but Jack is obviously very much not that. Which is pretty unique.

[(Anonymous)]

RTD created Jack and the will shag anything mandate was his not Moffat. Moffat wrote his first two episodes off that.

I agree that the idea of bisexuals as basically sexually indiscriminate is kind of a stereotype and I think Torchwood played to that with Jack and John Hart almost to parody. Well Jack more in theory than practice as it turned out. One of the things that bugged me about Torchwood is that they seemed almost reluctant to label either Tosh or Ianto as bisexual because they didn't fit that particular stereotype.

But I also agree that Jack, for all his flaws (writing, not character flaws), was still a pretty progressive character. A lead character who is unapologetically non-heterosexual and who isn't solely defined by his sexuality. That's still pretty rare even today.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, some people think Moffat isn't homophobic?