[ SECRET POST #2871 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2871 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If you are so concerned about Russia, let the US army fight it then. Funny how Russia has always been more of a problem for the US, an ocean away from it, than it has been to most of the Western European powers right next to it. If the US and Russia had such problems, then the cold war would have been fought between Alaska and Siberia (I'm told then can see each others houses there). Nah, its always been US policy to turn Europe into the anti-Russian battlefield to keep any war at a nice safe distance.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

Funny how Russia has always been more of a problem for the US, an ocean away from it, than it has been to most of the Western European powers right next to it.

this is literally objectively untrue and you don't know anything about the history of your own country. I mean, shit, if you're willing to include the Eastern Europeans as part of Europe, they did kind of rule over most of that shit for like 50 years. you might have heard of that. I know you don't like to consider people from Eastern Europeans human beings, because you're all horribly racist, but ya know.

if we're talking about recent history, it's equally absurd to say that Europe had no interest in developments in Eastern Europe and was totally cool with Russia just doing whatever. I mean, the thing that sparked everything was Ukraine trying to go decide whether to align with the EU or Russia. But no, I'm sure that was an American capitalist plot.

Re: DA

[solticisekf]

Russia didn't rule there, USSR did

it was a part of Ukraine and not a whole country deciding to side with Russia, btw.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Russia didn't rule there, USSR did

That's true. I'm reasonably comfortable eliding the distinction in the context of a discussion of the historical relationship between Russia and the rest of Europe, but I should have been more precise.

it was a part of Ukraine and not a whole country deciding to side with Russia, btw.

That's true, but I think my characterization of the grounds of the dispute within the Ukraine was accurate - it was a dispute, within Ukraine, about whether Ukraine should be aligned with Russia or the European Union which then deepened into a broader partisan conflict. Obviously, the whole country didn't come down on the Russia side of the issue.

Re: DA

[solticisekf]

the USSR thing is a bit funny because Ukraine was a part of USSR.

Many didn't like the fact that the Ukraine government decided against the alignment with EU, true. I agree.


There was also a lot of tension because of a dissatisfaction with the government - corruption, difficulties for business, etc.

The part that first sided with Russia depends on the tourism. I think it played a part when they held a vote during the political unrest - they didn't want to lose profits. Tourism and revolutions don't go well together. Seems logical. Then another region voted to side with Russia... idk about that.

Anyway, I hope they'll be ok this winter in Ukraine. Warm water is kinda essential.

Re: DA

[kallanda_lee]

Well the trouble is that "being part of the USSR" wasn't always the most voluntary thing there was, certainly not for all he inhabitants.

Honestly I don't have the answers here either, but from what I know the news about it in Eastern Europe vs. Western Europe is very different - i.e. - the word "war" is being used by my friends and family in Eastern Europe - in the West, it's taken a bit of a back seat in the news.

Re: DA

[solticisekf]

agreed on the USSR thing.
The media covers it quite differently. Even people in Ukraine don't agree on what's happening, other countries don't stand a chance of getting reliable news.

[(Anonymous)]

Speak for WESTERN Europe, fuckhead. Eastern Europe has gotten more shit from Russia in the last century than you western Europeans have in your entire history since the Black Death.

[(Anonymous)]

lolwut

I guess the Crimean War, the Eastern Question and the Great Game never happened, then? Do yourself a favor and google them.