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[ SECRET POST #352 ]

⌈ Secret Post #352 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 250 secrets from Secret Submission Post #051.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] too big, [ 1 ] hate letter.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, December 24th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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It's a rough sketch they chose to put up in a thread about critiquing, and I've seen much better from 5 minutes life drawing exercises in my art classes, which is more what I'm comparing it to the the secret art.

The shading it utterly unnecessary. It's bad, so why add it? Why take time to add in something that takes away from the art?

I wasn't critiquing the Secret post, you are quite correct they have the same issue, however, if I was going to go about "Correcting" things, I correct them. *shrug* Just me. The hand, to me, looks much more "I couldn't bother to draw it." but then again the shading doesn't have much of a smoky quality to it.

The implied line of the front of the neck would make the neck far to thick. The shoulder are not wide enough (The right one), and the line of the spine in the neck does not follow the line of the spine down the back. Drworm admitted that themselves.

Where the ear comes out of the hair looks awkward. Like I said, had they worked on the piece, that might just be something that got cleaned up and fixed just fine.

Ah, but the original person wasn't drawing a human, they were drawing a cartoon elf. So you don't actually know how their realistic style looks from that picture. (Maybe they have something in their DA that's horrendously out of proportion and realistic style, but uh...that's not it.)

Your comparing what they said was a piece without reference to a class with a reference right in front of them? Not a fair comparison there, don't you think?
I wouldn't call the shading they did 'unnecessary'. It gives the picture some more depth compared to if they were just to leave it with the lines.
Actually, why the bloody hell are we critiquing a quick, no ref. sketch anyway? It makes you sound blindly biased towards Keysha's just because hers is a cartoon. 'Hers is a cartoon, so it's allowed to have shitty anatomy even though hours were spent on it.' There are problems with all of Keysha's pictures (especially the faces). Those problems aren't 'her style'; they're pure, incompetent mistakes on her part.

When someone's bragging about how awesome they are, and how many art classes they've taken, I expect them to have something comparable to a 2-5 minutes exercise. The may have the disadvantage of not having an actual person (Althought they could have easily looked up a refrence) but they also had the advantage of an extra 10+ minutes, and a markedly more forgiving medium in the mistake area. I wish I could hit "Undo" with my charcoals.

And although not on the computer, I could have made something much better in 15 minutes, and may have has it inked. I draw a bit faster then normal, but guys? 15 minutes isn't exactly a short time in the drawing world. Most of my fanart picture only take me about an hour to finish. So uh, throwing around the "It's all I could do in 15 minutes!" well...shit. That kinda sucks. And if her computer skills are as shoddy as mine, then hey....she shouldn't have posted something she was weak at as a bragging device.

If done well it might have. However, since it's not, it just looks like some kid who doesn't know well how to use photoshop.

Why are we critquing it? Because drworm was critquing the other pictures and showed this as their "I can do so much better." Except they uh...can't. Maybe, in areas slightly better, but in general the two piece are very comparable. (And by comparable, I mean if the original had only had 15 minutes taken on it, it might have looked the same) That and I love doing art crits, and haven't done any since semester ended.

I'm not judging her whole gallery, just as I'm not judging drworms whole gallery. Tho if you'd like, we could get into that, because drworm has many many MANY errors in basic anatomy, foreshortening, etc. Maybe she does have those errors, but in THAT picture, which is the only one I've ever seen, they were "Style" not anatomy errors.

hey you post your shit then

cuz this ain't no fair. i mean, i'm trying to be the better man, but you are making it so damn hard.

You found my DA quite well. You obviously have one, feel free to crit over there. That way I can refrence back to it.

For refrence, Jessie-Crit plz in the main gallery is probably the most comparable, as the sketch on that took me about 10-15 minutes (Not the coloring XP) and is sorta a similar position. (And that model's neck was that thin, so I guess it's anime character and doctored photos super models....the refrence picture was chosen because of that fact.) In scarps, nothin gonna change my worlds and chill time are about the same time period (For the second, per figure, as that was about a year or so ago and I was slower)

The facial proportions are iffy. Needs more forehead or less chin/jaw. Eyes are huge. The whole thing is way too anime if this is supposed to be a real person. The mouth is not at the same angle as the eyes and nose. The eyes are totally flat; the whites need shading because eyes are orbs. The heavy black around the eyes looks tacky. Not enough contrast in the shading on the skin. Her shoulders are fucked up looking. Jesus, are those supposed to be wings? I give up.

For one, you have no idea of what Photoshop (or any digital painting program) is actually capable of or how it can be legitimately used. For two, it's not about how fast you do shit in. It's not, I never meant it to be, I was just giving people a time reference initially. And I swear there was a Wayside School story about this very thing. Maybe you should read it.

Yep, that was my first attempt ever at Photoshop with a tablet. Like I said, I tend not to use it because I dislike the way things look, for example, in your art. I hate that "OMG I used a computer!" look, I think it's tacky and amateurish in anime or any other style. However, the wings and black lined eyes are a trait of the character, tacky or not, so are unavoidable. Her shoulders are rather just a blob with random shading.

However, the crit you gave me on the face I have to disagree with, unless you know some strange alien facial canon. There may be SOME deviation, some idealizing going on, but if you think that's an anime face, you uh...haven't seen any anime. A little too Micheal Turner and generally Top Cow style for my taste, but throwing out anime cause it's the recent buzz word doesn't make it so. If she had more forehead, she's have a receeding hairline, if she has less chin, she's look like a fish. In fact her chin is particularly small as is (I wanna say this was Jessica Stam who has a very pixie like face, but I'm not sure)

I don't have any clue what the fuck I'm doing in computer coloring and suck at self teaching~ However, from what I've SEEN of yours, which you have admitted was rushed, or old, you aren't either.

When you fall back on the time being an excuse for your art looking bad, you make it about the time it took "OMG GEEZE IT ONLY TOOK ME 15 MINUTES!" ...so? You're right, time doesn't matter, it's good or it's not. People shouldn't need a refrence of any sorts. No matter if you took 30 seconds or 30 days, what you have is what you have.

Oh, you caught me. I've never done a digital painting (http://dr-worm.deviantart.com/art/I-Like-Red-58788201) before in my life.

But then, once I saw those wings, I knew it was a lost cause.

OMG A CHARACTER WITH WINGS! What will the world ever do?!

(Actually, you HAVE caught me, she's a horrid Mary Sue of epic proportions.)

And yes, I apologize for not pain stackingly studying every piece in your gallery once you said they were null as a refrence after offering them as a refrence.

And it still has a lot of the issues of the one you posted here. Like I said, not my taste. The face isn't too bad, and you have some nice light plays going on, but the epic mouse brush shaped marks on the collar pull you away from it as a piece, and look, again, very "I did this in photoshop YAY!" However, if you smoothed those out, made em more painterly and less...I don't think there's a word for marks obviously made in photoshop, it'd be nice. Your eyes looks off, to shallow in the face I think, though I'd have to see the original to put my finger on what it is excatly...they just don't have the depth you have in the rest, and even if the dip in the nose is in actuality there, I'd take it out for the sake of the picture. But like I said the shadows are very nice, and it is obviously him.

However, taking a picture straight from a specific frame, which I take is what you did, is generally considered bad from, because then you're encroaching on the artistic domain of the photographer if you don't switch it up enough. A lot of fan artist don't seem to know, or respect that (Obviously as this is just a fun fluff piece not like...serious business, it's not a BFD) And IDK the original picture, so I don't know how much you changed things up.

the collar was done that way intentionally

and even if the dip in the nose is in actuality there, I'd take it out for the sake of the picture.

... not that i took you seriously before, but now?

ahaha.

Dude, uh....have you never been told by an art teacher to change something from the photo for the sake of a picture? Up the contrast, deepen the shadow, change the local color of something, etc?

If you haven't, that'd explain a lot of your art weaknesses. Art isn't always about just replicating exactly whats in front of you. You have to make changes to work things into a 2d picture plane, to make the piece flow well and create balance and harmony. This is all shit you should have covered in basic 2-d design, art 1 type classes. Shit, it's stuff you should have covered in an advanced high school art class.

The darkness right there ruins the way your eye travels through the piece and breaks up the flow of things, especially in his face. It breaks up the nice play of shadows you have going on, and the contrasts.

But uh, please, go ahead and make replica's, keep chruning them out. Lessen any future competition.

And you may have done it that way intentionally. Doesn't stop it from looking bad. If everything in your painting is done in a realistic style, and suddenly you throw up something in decorative style, it disrupts the flow of the piece. And that kinda of disruption doesn't look good there, as it's a VERY realistic style piece.

you are repeating things your teachers say without actually understanding them at all.

please keep doing it, it's fucking hilarious.

Bwa ha. How funny.

If that's what you think, at least I was paying enough attention to parrot it back, where as you, apparently, were sleeping in class. Or seem unable to apply them in any real situation where the most interesting aspect of your piece isn't already given to you by someone who came along before.

Your mad skills of copying a movie promotional piece really do over whelm.

KEEP GOING GUYS THIS IS GREAT A+++ MADE MY DARK BRITISH MORNING SUNNY

Alas, if it was morning here you might have many hours, but I'm, at least, out of here for the time being....

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inorite! i didn't change a goddamn thing from this picture (http://drworm.net/ratpr0n/willard11.jpg)!

god, you are such a hack >:( andy warhol shames you

oh wait...

OH EM GEE YOU TOOK OUT THE RAT AND MADE IT RED.

I'm am wowed! WOWED AND AMAZED I TELL YOU.

You make me lol that you compare yourself to Warhol. Copying a picture=/=bein Warhol.

Oh, and the issue with your eyes is you have FAR too much whites, and it's way to light if you compare the lighter tones in his face to the lighter tones in yours. Because of how deep set his eyes are, the whites almost become a medium tone.

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penguinfaery.livejournal.com - 2007-12-24 17:19 (UTC) - Expand

Dude. I have to say.

As a person I am obviously not all too fond of you. XD

But that picture, on your DA, where you turned it red?

Amazing.

I've always admired people would could take a picture and do it in a different shade, or even color it as it was using the computer or paint or whatever. I try my damnedest and it never comes out quite right, so, I totally salute you, because your finished product is awesome.

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drworm.livejournal.com - 2007-12-24 08:41 (UTC) - Expand

wall of text tb;dr because art is serious stuff @ fandom secrets. From what I did read you've probably mentioned about your art classes more than he has (or that's how it seems to me) and, what, why are you wasting your time critiquing a quick sketch? isn't there, like, something better for you to critique done seriously where you can actually help someone and yourself?

but lol way too serious guys

ha ha, i like you, anonymous person :D

and we love you too

Art is pretty serious stuff for me, yes....uhm, your point? You had some pretty TL;DR posts up there to....

And no, the mixture of "Place I hang out" and "Self-righteous asshole who really can't back his shit up" was pretty appealing. I have nothing hugely important to do right now, I type fast, it was a fun diversion to talk/debate/argue about something I enjoy....*shrug*

Pass me a link and I'll head on over, but actually, no, I DON'T know any place. I don't play that way on DA except with specific members cause of people like sanpesnogger who couldn't take con crit if it was presented sugar crusted.

whoops, yeah but there's two people here so i can't be bothered to go back and read everything so i didn't notice my brick wall compared to your castle :( my bad

when i said about critiquing other stuff i thought it would be better to go to deviantart and critique something that ain't a five second joke but lol whoops forgot this is deviantart we're on about anywaaaay getting too long check out http://www.conceptart.org/forums/ have fun

I type fast, so I tend to get TL;DR-y....but art is a pretty BFD to me, and ripping up other artist unprovoked is a pretty BFD to me as well (WHich was more what it was about. If he had posted his sketch just to post it, no I probably wouldn't have picked at it so much)

And that site looks amazing, omg, thank you ♥ I've been trying to find a good crit place, but the only ones suggested have been for like...very specific things (like digital manips, or inking, etc)

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