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⌈ Secret Post #2879 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/E5QxRcS.png

[philstar22]

The thing is for me, though, foreshadowing is not the same as developing a relationship. I could see things in the earlier books that hinted that Harry/Ginny would become canon (though there were other things in the books that said otherwise to me) . But for me there were no development of feelings. Ginny had a crush on the "boy who lived" which she then got over. Harry showed no feelings for her whatsoever and barely even acknowledged her existence. Then, out of the blue, feelings were there.

I'm just saying that I need development in romances, and "out of the blue" means for me there is no development regardless of what foreshadowing may or may not have been there.

[(Anonymous)]

Harry showed no feelings for her whatsoever and barely even acknowledged her existence. Then, out of the blue, feelings were there.

tbf that's hardly out of character for a teenage boy

[philstar22]

I agree with that. But I also don't think the crushes of teenagers are the same thing as love or the type of thing that becomes a long-lasting relationship. Like, I could buy Harry's chest-monster thing as a teenage crush, but I couldn't buy it as love.

[kallanda_lee]

Yes, you summarized quite nicely why it felt "out of the blue" for me, too. I just didn't see it until it was there.

[(Anonymous)]

This. You can foreshadow something all you want, but if you don't devote the time to actually developing it and making it plausible within the frame of canon, it's going to come across as being out of the blue.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP --

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I can't imagine being *surprised* by Harry/Ginny, because the relationship is a giant cliche, but the romance part of the relationship, if there was any, all happened off-screen. So, it's a little unsatisfying.

I think JKR just felt like she knew who was going to wind up together in the end, so she didn't have to show her work. (See: Remus/Tonks)

However, I don't think any relationship was ever played up as "end-game" more than Ron/Hermione. If someone didn't like the relationship, that's one thing. But if they didn't think it was going to happen, then they need to check their reading comprehension.

[nightscale]

This is why it felt out of place for me too and it was honestly one of the relationships that I didn't spot coming at all because, aside from Ginny's crush on Harry, there was no build up to it. It just happened.

Whereas Ron/Hermione I saw coming for a long time even if I never cared for it much.

[(Anonymous)]

I stopped reading before the Harry/Ginny relationship happened and when I heard about it I was completely confused and weirded out because it came out of the fucking nowhere. But that's probably also because I -for some weird reason- always perceived Ginny as much younger than Harry even though she obviously wasn't, so...

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is for me, though, foreshadowing is not the same as developing a relationship.

This is certainly true, and I don't feel any great desire to debate about whether Harry/Ginny was well developed. I think it is as well developed as any other relationship in HP, but that's a very low bar to cross, so I can't say it was actually well developed.

But it was pretty clear to me early on that it was Rowling's endgame, and while most of the people claiming it was a last minute swerve that nobody could have seen coming are hardcore (read: "delusional") Harmonians, enough sane ones do exist to confuse me.

[dahli]

So much this.

[annethecatdetective]

Yeah, I see exactly what you're talking about.

For me it was Lupin/Tonks-- there was ZERO development before they were suddenly a thing, and while I realize that they only had limited page time and so it's not as egregious as having such limited development for the main character's romance... it just really felt out of nowhere to me. Especially since seeing her changed patronus through Harry's eyes meant we didn't even really get foreshadowing.

I went back through looking for hints on a second read and I still couldn't find anything that made me believe in them, and it would have been nice to just have some scenes between them before she busts out with the 'I'm in love with you and you need to get over all your reasons for pushing me away'.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK. It's weird. Like, I think you could pretty clearly see both of those coming well before they happened, but I get the sense that some fans want to be able to go back further - like, at the point it gets textual, it's already happening in their mind, so as soon Harry and Ginny start flirting, it's happening. So unless the relationship can't be seen incredibly subtly from the very beginning of the work, it's out of the blue.

Or something.

I don't know.

I like the QC storyline a lot though. It's really cute.

[(Anonymous)]

I know that Jeph has been teasing Marten/Claire for a while, but I guess I was sort of hoping he'd move on. In hindsight, it's obvious that they were moving in that direction; but Marten/Claire really jossed the comic weirdness with Emily and Marten, which I kept wondering about.

[(Anonymous)]

People actually thought Marten/Claire came out of nowhere? Did they miss the entire storyline about Marten's dad getting remarried? Did they miss the sleepover at Emily's lake house? Did they miss... oh hell, there was a ton of hinting at Marten/Claire, and when they decided to give it a go my reaction was "FINALLY!", and I'm dense as a brick about these things, so I'm not sure how anybody could not see it coming.

[cloud_riven]

I don't even keep up with this comic and I still knew it was coming. Seeing it coming was the only reason I kept an eye out for when people exploded about it (happy exploding mostly iirc).

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Ironically, a lot of these people used the wedding as evidence that Claire and Marten were never going to be anything but a one-sided crush, since Marten didn't immediately react.

[dragonimp]

The Harry/Ginny relationship wasn't "out of the blue" in the sense of "no one saw it coming," but rather as being really, really poorly developed. REALLY poorly.

[firstmoonie]

I'm experiencing this in Naruto fandom these days...

Canon couples are soooo obvious after some point, I don't understand the meltdown at all <.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure they were obvious if you count one-sided for the entirety of the manga as "obvious". Not everyone does though.
It's pretty bad that before 'The Last' was announced nobody could say for sure what the final pairings were. After the plot of the movie people just though NaruHina would be canon and nothing else. That's why when the epilogue came out people though everything except NaruHina and maybe ShikaTema was bullshit and out of the blue.

I honestly don't get how anyone could say the pairings of Naruto had proper build up in the manga unless you have extremely low standards. I say this as someone who actually likes NaruHina.

As for Harry Potter, at least Harry/Ginny dated and were attracted to each other before the epilogue and Ron/Hermione was obvious since day 1. All the Naruto pairings were completely one-sided or zero-sided until the epilogue.

[(Anonymous)]

Some pairings just aren't built up properly. Sure there might be hints, but that doesn't mean romance doesn't come out of nowhere.

The problem I have is when every guy and girl that happens to get along is good enough a reason to eventually get together. Like male/female friendship doesn't exist. I don't consider that as good built up.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't really care about shipping in Harry Potter and I never was involved with the fandom when I read the books, but Ron/Hermione always seemed like the intended pairing. The only time I doubted them ending up together was because I when I was reading book 7 I thought one of them might die at some point.

As for Harry/Ginny, yeah, that one felt a little weak. It didn't completely come out of nowhere, but compared to Ron/Hermione having build up in each book, Harry/Ginny fell short. Especially since Harry is supposed to be the MC.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh good! I'm going to use this opportunity to rant about Marten/Claire and how creepy and fake it feels to me. I did feel like it was out of the blue. I felt that Claire was attracted to Marten, but Marten thought of her as an oddball (because of her personality, not because she's trans), even if he was fond of her. I never felt any attraction to her from him.

And the way it's playing out now is soooooooo super weird and robotic. There's no tention between them. It's not remotely believable but feels like the writer just gave into fan pressure and is serving them up the empty, unbelievable fluffy romance they wanted.

Like, each new coming does nothing to tell a story. It's just the two of them being fluffy and romantic together. And there's no intimacy between them, no connection. It's just creepy and false and I want it to end. I want Claire to wake up and see it's all a dream and then, maybe, Jacques can try and get them together in a more believable way.

A romance involving a trans woman is WONDERFUL, but I'm not going to get excited about it when it's so terribly written.


On another note, I agree with OP completely about Harry/Ginny. That was foreshadowed from CoS onward and made complete sense.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. Claire/Marten had a lot of shiptease, sure, and I definitely believe that Claire could have been romantically interested in Marten prior to them getting together but the relationship just seems so random on his end. There was just no development of his feelings. There wasn't even any freaking out over being in a new relationship (and we all know how much Marten likes to angst). I like the concept of Claire/Marten and I'll give the author credit because it seems like he genuinely wants to portray Claire in a respectful manner and wants to show a healthy, normal relationship involving a trans woman but the execution was just so stilted.

[(Anonymous)]

The HP series was not a romance. Harry and Ginny's romance was one tiny thread in one book. It didn't need any more development than it had. It felt completely satisfying and believable to me within HBP.

Harry's real, strong emotional ties were to Ron and Hermione. Those were the relationships JKR chose to develop and those are the ones she should have chosen to develop

People in fandom are just obsessed with romance over any other genre and see the fact that the HP books WEREN'T romances as a flaw, when it isn't a flaw.