[ SECRET POST #2893 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2893 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

That's what it's supposed to mean, but it's become like Mary Sue where people attach it to anything and everything

[(Anonymous)]

to be honest, i've never run into a situation where people have screamed manpain about a male character without it being justified. in my experience people who whine about others abusing the word are just being defensive because someone called out the writers of a show (or a character) they like.

do you have any examples of it being used inappropriately?

[(Anonymous)]

The most 'holy shit you are WRONG, NO' one I've ever seen? People talking about Spec Ops: the Line, supposedly as a game all about manpain

[(Anonymous)]

WHAT

HOLY SHIT

WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? I WANT LINKS.

Have they even played the fucking game? Because a huge fucking point of that game is that even though it's BLATANTLY FUCKING OBVIOUS that Walker has PTSD, that doesn't excuse his actions. URGH.

[(Anonymous)]

How is it not?

[(Anonymous)]

How in the world IS it?

For one, Walker doesn't angst or brood -- he just plows on through and completely loses his sanity.

Moreover, the game in no way tries justify his actions -- he's flat-out called the villain by the end of the game by his hallucination of Lugo (even he himself knows it's true). Also, there's no character whose arc is sacrificed to cause him emotional angst.

Yes, Lugo and Adams both die -- but that's a fulfillment of THEIR arcs as well. There's irony to their deaths. Lugo, who had a tendency to disregard civilian lives (more so than Adams at least) is killed by a mob of them that is justifiably angry. While Adams, who never believed in their mission in the first place, actually ends up dying for what's left of it, having given up all hope.

Yes, their deaths affect Walker, but they don't die to further his story but because it's the conclusion to their own.

Even Konrad's death, though it clearly affects Walker, was a natural conclusion to his story.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

This is what I mean when I say people look at anything where a man or men are suffering emotionally and label it man pain just because there's a lot of pain to go around. :\

It's what happens when people hear the term manpain and think it = "drama + emotional pain by men in any context" and that's not what it means

[(Anonymous)]

What's so fucked up about using Spec Ops: The Line especially as an example is that it is addressing a very serious issue in video games -- namely that a lot of games don't address how absolutely TRAUMATIZED you would be if you actually went out and killed the way most modern military shooters portray it.

If Walker didn't have a serious reaction to his own actions and the surrounding events, he would just be feeding into that BS alpha-male/war-is-glorious/violence-is-an-awesome solution narrative.

Calling his reactions man pain is just playing right into the hands of the FPS meatheads who call male characters that show legitimate emotion "pussies."

Urgh

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt but "manpain" seems to be the battle cry of the SJWs confronted with any straight white male, fictional or realistic, expressing any sort of sadness. most recently I heard it in regards to Shia Labeouf being raped. oh how I wish I were joking.

[(Anonymous)]

The fuck?

[kallanda_lee]

Sadly I wish anon was joking, but they're not.

[(Anonymous)]

People were throwing it around a lot about Dirk on Homestuck recently. A bunch of people died and he said "I failed" and shut down completely. Not manpain because they died for plot-related reasons and the story didn't linger on Dirk's meltdown, but moved on to others.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't that like...basic survivor's guilt though? That's what it sounds like.

[diet_poison]

wow that's really awful. :(

nonny homestuck here...

[(Anonymous)]

...wow, some people really fail at reading comprehension.

Dirk Strider and manpain in the same sentence does not compute.

[(Anonymous)]

I briefly saw someone on Tumblr use the term to describe Peggy's dementia and Steve's reaction to it in Captain America The Winter Soldier. I'll see if I can find it but I'm 99% sure the post was deleted.

[kallanda_lee]

That's sort of silly, because from Peggy's POV, Steve is basically the (quite literally) fridged boyfriend.

[(Anonymous)]

LOL -- that's so true.

And with Agent Carter coming out, I feel like it's the most baseless of claims. Peggy hasn't been forgotten.

[(Anonymous)]

man if anyone in the mcu has plenty of reasons to be depressed, it's steve.

[illiadandoddity]

I saw a really good post comparing Captain America to the Batman movies explaining why, though both Steve and Bruce have been through traumatic shit in their lives, the Batman movies qualify as manpain whereas the Captain America movies do not.

[(Anonymous)]

Batman is the fucking Emperor of Manpain.