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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-12-04 06:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #2893 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2893 ⌋

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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2014-12-05 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
You know what, I was going to be pissy but hey - whatever happened to you, I'm sorry it did. No-one deserves PTSD and the things that cause it generally aren't pleasant, so I genuinely wish you the best.

That being said, just because someone has suffered trauma does not mean their trauma is representative of all the trauma that can be suffered ever.

I agree it's an overused, often badly done trope - but I disagree a male character suffering loss of a loved one is by definition bad in fiction.

And I have already seen the term "manpain" seeping over from fandom to real life, using it on real men who had something bad happen to them. So no, I'm not a fan of the term. Besides, we already had a term for it: fridging, which I think is way better, conveys the problem more (killing of a female character for conflict) without emotional hurt in men as a bad thing.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-05 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, fridging is the far superior term - because it actually (funnily) focuses on what's happening to the female character who is being used as a device rather than what the device is for.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-06 01:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Besides, we already had a term for it: fridging, which I think is way better, conveys the problem more (killing of a female character for conflict)

Except that not all manpain involves death and/or a female character. You can have manpain when the narrative privileges the male protag's sadness over the trauma of a character who's experienced sexual assault or abduction or torture or serious illness/injury or a brainwipe, too. And while it's most common for the object of the manpain to be a female chararcter, there are examples in which it's a male character instead (often a young boy, e.g. Nate Ford's son in Leverage)...or even an entire planet.

(Anonymous) 2014-12-07 08:22 am (UTC)(link)
"I destroyed Gallifrey, now I has all the sads."