[ SECRET POST #2896 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2896 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[silverr]

Come back to Dreamwidth!

WE CAN REBUILD IT!

WE HAVE THE CONTENT!

[were_lemur]

I actually think that DW would be a good place for this. That the structure of communities would work better than Tumblr's system of searching tags to find content you enjoy.

There is a thread below about posting "hate" in the tags. There are two main philosophies about that (or three, if you count "be an asshole and post rival ship/character/show content in the tag as an actual philosophy, and not just a jerk move.)

I suspect that part of the issue is that some people define "hate" as "any criticism, no matter how mild or well-thought-out." But anyway, the fallout is that there are two distinct groups of users on any given tag, using it for diametrically opposed purposes. The "fans" and the "haters" can't help running into each other, and coming into conflict.

On Dreamwidth, which organizes content by communities rather than by tags, it would be easier for those groups to avoid each other. While some conflict might be unavoidable on comms that are designed to cater to the whole of a show's fandom, having a separate community for "alice_bob_sucks" would provide an opportunity for like-minded fans to talk among themselves without their conversations harshing the squee of the members of "alice_bob_rules".

[(Anonymous)]

Why would you feel the need for a specific "alice_bob_sucks" community though?

Because that's exactly what a lot of people who are tired of seeing hate in tags are frustrated with -- there's criticism and there's wholly unnecessary and inflammatory hate that's less critical of the source material and more critical of the people who enjoy it.

Why would reveling in the fact that one thing/ship/whatever sucks be in any way a positive form of critique of the source? And why would you be surprised that people think it's a pretty petty thing to do?

[were_lemur]

Because having a place for people to go to express their frustrations with Alice/Bob is better than having that frustration in the main community, where they are going to be harshing the squee of the Alice/Bob fans.

You're talking about the difference between "critique" and "hate" as if there is a clear, unequivocal line that both the fans and the critics will agree on. While it's easy to say that it's hate when someone who accuses all Alice/Bob fangirls of being pathetic losers, for a lot of fans, any critique of their favorite ship is going to feel personal.

Which is why separate fannish spaces is a good thing.

I was being a bit flippant when I suggested "alice_bob_rules" and "alice_bob_sucks" but even if I'd called the hypothetical critique community "alice_bob_crit" or something like that, it's not going to make the Alice/Bob fans happy.

But having that community will give the people who really cannot stand the fact that Alice the alien infiltrator is using Bob for his government contacts a place where they can talk freely about it, and the people who want to squee about how Alice and Bob's relationship transcends the boundaries of planetary origin can have a community for that, too.

That doesn't guarantee peaceful co-existence in the main AliceBobAdvntrs comm, and the moderators might have to step in to lock posts that got out of hand. But at least it means that both of the opposing sides have their opposing sides to retreat to (or their rooms to be sent to, if you prefer that metaphor) rather than stepping on each other's toes in a common tag.

[(Anonymous)]

And you genuinely think that people would stay in their respective sandboxes and play nice?

[(Anonymous)]

IIRC from LJ days, and may extrapolate, banning people from communities is a hell of a lot easier than avoiding them on tumblr. Banning by IP is also possible. Good mods will also restrict bannings to serious trolls and asshats.

[(Anonymous)]

If you have a LJ/DW style community, mods can freeze threads, screen or delete comments, delete entire posts, and in extreme cases, ban people. It's possible to lock individual posts or every post so only members can see it. You can set up a queue and pre-screen every post before they go live if you want. A well-modded community can stay on-topic and virtually wank-free for a long time. There's no way to do anything equivalent to this on Tumblr that I know of.

[were_lemur]

A giant EXACTLY to both of these.

While not every comm had moderators that were willing to lay down the law and keep the community wank-free, there were mechanisms in place that allowed mods to do that.

Nobody owns Tumblr tags. Nobody is making sure that they are used "correctly," and in fact, there is no universal definition of what the "correct" use of a tag is. It's kind of a Wild West situation. Or Dodge City, maybe, with two factions declaring that "this tag ain't big enough for the both of us."

(Which would make LJ/DW comms ... Metropolis, I guess?)