[ SECRET POST #2904 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2904 ⌋

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Comments

[anonymous4]

You've never seen gay porn, have you?

[(Anonymous)]

Which is for men. And gay porn still, IME, largely treats the other man as an equal.

But you've shown yourself to be fairly sexist, from what I've seen.

[(Anonymous)]

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But it seems like your problem here is with objectification being from the man's point of view instead of the woman's point of view, rather than with objectification as a phenomenon itself.

Would that be correct?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah? Because that's how you'd make it equal. That's a huge point to sexism. That a whole lot of everything is geared toward men. Even when it comes to homosexual porn, I have yet to find lesbian porn that appeals to actual lesbians first.

And that's what people usually mean when they complain about objectification being unequal.

[anonymous4]

From what you've seen of what?

Why would the fact that it's aimed at men make any difference?

My experience is limited to very 'soft' images supplied for an icontest I used to participate in but, personally, I found a lot of the men very objectified, especially the ones in disturbingly child-like poses.

[(Anonymous)]

Gay porn is still for the male gaze. Most porn is designed for the male gaze.

[(Anonymous)]

Not from where I'm standing.

[(Anonymous)]

Which appears to be some other world than this one. I mean, seriously you think this? The evidence is overwhelming that porn serves the male gaze in the vast majority of cases.

[(Anonymous)]

Not PP, but the problem with "male gaze" is that it is not clearly defined, and has no counterpart. Everything can be male-gaze. As a bisexual, mostly into women, I've been told that I have just internalized a male gaze when I'm turned on by a scenario with a sexy woman. But maybe it's just what I like. Problem: there is no such thing as a "female gaze" except as the negative image of what 'men want', alledgedly. I refuse to let my desires be pressed into what male desires have left over for "us". So just don't go claiming there's evidence when you can't even define the object you're talking about.