[ SECRET POST #2909 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2909 ⌋

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Comments

[kallanda_lee]

What I find so curious about these people, is the seem to bitch about franchises that actually TRY very hard to do well, and have minor problems.

While you seem to get very little personal criticism of things that are just all-out shit at representation in any way. Sure you get them under the umbrella of "problems with mainstream media" but still.

[(Anonymous)]

It's the Macklemore thing. It's easier and more rewarding to shit on people who're more likely to listen to you and take your rain of shit to heart.

Why would you want to shit on someone wearing the raincoat of not giving a fuck?

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's because they're interested in and like the things that try, so those are the things they're familiar with, and when they're looking to critique something, well...they turn to what's familiar and they know the most about.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's like that quote about how male kindness is so alien to women that it is indistinguishable from seduction. Maybe these marginalised communities are so unused to the mainstream trying to be kind to them that any failing seems indicative of more sinister motives? Like how LGBT Positive media get's called out on queer baiting?

[were_lemur]

Which queer positive shows/movies have been called out for queer baiting?

(I'm not up on current TV which isn't Doctor Who, and the last movie I saw in theaters was Thor: the Dark World.)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's that strange, personally. It seems to me that the times I've been most struck by someone's/something's shittiness is when it's least expected. When my homophobic great aunt says something homophobic, I might make an attempt to have a conversation with her about it, but there's no real expectation that she's going to listen. I've already written her off. But when it's someone I trust and am very close to, and it catches me by surprise, it feels genuinely painful and like I've been betrayed. It might sometimes be people just picking at whatever target is nearest, or jumping on a criticism bandwagon, or whatever, but I think a lot of times it's that sense of betrayal from something that said it was going to do better.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem with this mindset is that frequently whatever's being picked at did do better, it just didn't do perfect because, despite what some SJ spheres tend to believe, improvement is almost always an incremental process.

And yes, criticism is an important part of improvement, but criticism is not the same as having an utter toxic meltdown and insisting that making a good-faith effort but missing the mark is somehow worse than making no effort whatsoever or being actively malicious.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

To be clear, I am not actually saying that everyone's criticisms are always right or polite or kind, or that even all of them are coming from the place I mentioned, just that for some of them it's possible, since I don't believe I'm all that unique. I don't disagree that some people on the intertubes take it wayyyyy too far, but identifying that underlying process can be useful if you ever want to communicate with that one friend who seems a little too vehement.