[ SECRET POST #2926 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2926 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

And they are free to express it all they like. In their own space. I don't give a shit what they do in their own space. Have a party.

But if they come uninvited into my space and criticize it and me, then they fully deserve whatever derision and scorn I dish out, especially if they are a complete stranger. Because who asked them, anyway?

Polite disagreement is one thing. "This thing you like is terrible and you are terrible and should feel terrible for liking it" is quite something else.

[(Anonymous)]

Except it's not.

You can dish out scorn and derision towards their opinion, so it's still perfectly fair for them to say what they like. Just like you have to be prepared for criticism and judgement for liking something that has issues, then the person criticizing equally has to be prepared for your reaction to it.

But you're acting as though they don't have the right to criticize in the first place -- in any space they damn well choose -- which is bullshit. In fact, it's a slippery slope of "criticism of things I like can only take place in this narrowly defined way I allow it to happen" which is fucked up on many, many levels.

[(Anonymous)]

I will only dish out scorn and derision if they come uninvited into my space and start throwing loaded terms around. And if they're going to choose to come into my space and dish out something like that, then they'd better be prepared to take it right back, because I will not be shy about letting them have it with both barrels.

My "narrowly defined way" is "say what you like on the whole of the rest of the internet, but don't harsh my squee in my own space." And I'm pretty sure I have the right (since we seem to be tossing that word around a lot) to set parameters there.

[(Anonymous)]

Therein lies the crux of it. You have every right to CHOOSE problematic likes, and they have every right to CHOOSE to call you out on it.

If you can't see what's problematic about you basically saying "Don't shit in my backyard regardless of what I'm doing there because I say so!" then I'm not surprised people have issues with your other problematic likes. You are setting parameters for yourself that you would bitch at other people for having.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a little weird that you're so concerned about people being able call out other people for enjoying problematic things. Shouldn't that effort be focused on the content creator and not the consumer?

And this also seems concerningly close to scrupulosity-like behavior, that what people enjoy is reflective enough about what they actually believe in that you can attack their character for enjoying that. Especially when that's demonstrably false. (eg almost every woman who enjoy rape fantasties don't support irl rape.)

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's more weird that you apparently don't have any argument as to why the problematic things you enjoy should somehow be more exempt from criticism and scrutiny than anyone else's, just because you decide that's how it should be.

Nothing would ever be demonstrably false or accurate without the means and ability to challenge them in the first place. If you decide the things you enjoy are above challenge, reproach or criticism, then yes, that sort of attitude does reflect on your character.

[(Anonymous)]

Because what people enjoy in fiction is pretty damn seperate from what they approve in reality. Individually calling out people or deciding their awful people because of their entertainment choices is an awful way to go about things and will probably turn them off from learning. I don't have an issue with people criticizing work for being problematic or whatever, but realize no matter how right you are people are going to be hostile if you come into their squee space with "you're an awful person if you enjoy x."

[(Anonymous)]

And if you have the right to like the problematic thing, then the inescapable flip side of that is that someone else equally has the right to call you out on it.

Whether you pay any attention to what they say is your choice, but you don't get to decide how/when/if they choose to comment on your choices. Just like you don't in Real Life. If you're going to be that precious about someone coming into your squee space to tell you you suck, I have no idea how you plan on functioning in the outside world where that's basically life. Your response to it is your only choice in the matter, because you cannot shut down someone's right to comment without shutting down your own right to enjoy the thing in the first place. Which is what you're doing by telling someone they can't come into this nebulously designated "space" of yours and criticize you and your likes.

[(Anonymous)]

Man you're really putting in work here

(but fwiw I totally agree with you)

[(Anonymous)]

Grade A deflecting and derailing there. 10/10.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope that one day, people like you will spend their time calling out on actual issues and not harassing people for liking something FICTIONAL that may or may not be offensive (because in the end that depends on the values of each person).

[(Anonymous)]

"Because in the end that depends on the values of each person."

Well, exactly.

If you like something offensive, it makes people question your values and how you'd respond to such issues in the real world. It does not exist in some bubble, despite what you may think.

[(Anonymous)]

You missed the FICTIONAL part, didn't you?

[(Anonymous)]

But in tumblr, neither of you have a space! It's a huge nebulous cloud of reblogs and tags and someone else could easily throw your stuff into "their" space or their stuff into "your" space, and unless you sit down and hammer out a consistent set of rules for tagging and blacklist religiously, there is no way to maintain the integrity of a "space"!

[(Anonymous)]

And this shit right here is why I don't hang out on fucking tumblr.

[(Anonymous)]

Even then, I'm pretty sending asks counts as intruding in someone else's space.

[(Anonymous)]

By that account, someone sending you snail mail through the post box is "encroaching on your space."

Get the fuck over yourself.

[(Anonymous)]

No the same thing, because I can refuse/return snail mail without opening, while asks are direct.

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt

So you're saying you have carte blanche to express any view you like and no one has the right to counter it because, well, this is just Your Space and you can Do What You Want with no consequences.

I hope you've never challenged someone's argument in your life in that case. Because otherwise you'd be a raving hypocrite who applies one standard of behavior to themselves and one to others.

If you express an opinion, it's fair game. Otherwise shut the fuck up, because that's what you expect anyone who holds a different point of view to you to do.

[(Anonymous)]

You're an idiot. That's not what I said. I don't mind polite disagreement. I love debate and discussion.

What I don't love is someone coming at me with their fangs out and throwing around -ists and -isms and accusing me of being a terrible person because I enjoy something that they consider "problematic," whether it is actually objectively problematic or not.

And if they do come into my space ranting and raving, well, then, they get to reap the consequence of that. Because, yeah, basically, do not shit in my backyard, because I will set that shit on fire and throw it right back in your face. If you want to be a raging asshole, do it on your space. Not mine.

But apparently the idea of basic manners has flown out the window that Social Justice tossed a brick through.