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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-09 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #2928 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2928 ⌋

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21. [ WARNING for rape ]

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[personal profile] fscom 2015-01-09 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
21. [ WARNING for rape ]
http://i.imgur.com/z61gBGJ.png
[Revenge]

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Pretty sure having sex with someone under false pretenses like that is generally regarded as rape. It certainly isn't fully consensual.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 10:49 am (UTC)(link)
In the UK, you can lie about your name and who you are, your history, your marital status, get someone pregnant even, and it's not legal rape if they're of age.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28877001

This is why I find fandom labels like noncon/dubcon preferable to real world labels of rape. Noncon covers much more than rape does.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
Such a thing legally would fall under rape by deception/fraudulent rape, yes.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
Question: If you're chatting someone up and learn e about your job (I'm a pilot/going off to war/exec at a fortune 500 company), and they decide to take you home for one-nite stand, is that rape or is that a horny person not doing their due diligence before sleeping with a stranger?

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
SA
Lie, not learn, stupid autocorrect.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Fuck you.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
No u.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
I think the answer to that is whether the omission is material enough to warrant that it would have affected consent.

Fibbing about your job - maybe not, especially if it's a one-night thing. But supposing it also leads to a breach of trust or another civil tort or criminal offence that compounds the sex-under-false-pretenses situation.

Then yeah, it starts to look like material omissions or falsifications that would lead to the reasonable assumption that consent was not given fully.
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[personal profile] siofrabunnies 2015-01-10 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
That would be Rape by Fraud.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
is it? i mean, in terms of legality.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I think that would be because she's pretending to be another real person. It'd be like if I stole my best friend's glasses and put on a blonde wig to disguise myself as his girlfriend to sex him up while his vision was fuzzy.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
...But she's not pretending to be a real person. Yes she and another girl switched names, but the rich orphan with a bunch of philanthropic endeavors and sweet disposition is a fictional construct.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:26 am (UTC)(link)
When you take another person's name you are pretending to be them, regardless of whether your behavior matches theirs. You are pretending to be them and using that to sleep with someone who wanted to sleep with the other person. That is rape.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
Serious question: what if he was the one to initiate it? Does that still count?

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's not just that she fibbed about her name - like say a girl called herself "Angie" when her real name is "Jamie" - she did so in a way to create the impression she had a certain life history that was fundamentally false.

In short, the omission or fabrication Emily committed was material enough to render Daniel's consent potentially invalid, initiator or no.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-11 08:14 am (UTC)(link)
If a girl too drunk to consent spreads her legs and beckons you forward and you still stick it in?

She initiated--and you still had sex with her when she couldn't consent.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Image: screen cap of Emily and Daniel mid-coitus.

Text: I think what Emily did to Daniel was rape, since I don’t think he would have consented to having sex with her if he knew she was really Amanda Clarke and was only using him so she could destroy his family.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, no.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
well, while he can be bother to say no or do act like one, i just assume he say yes as hell. most plot-story of this shit is how hysterical she act, he like: what, stupid?

why you giving special treatment for this shit anyway?

(Rape: you fucking blatantly 'gray' everything else)

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 07:09 am (UTC)(link)
no hables ingles

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
What

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
This kind of reminds me of google translate anon except different...like there's a hint of cholo or something going on

(Anonymous) 2015-01-10 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Well yeah -if- he knew but he didn't.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-11 05:07 am (UTC)(link)
and you give men a benefic of doubt, yeah that bias as fuck.